In this episode of the Wine and Gold Talk podcast, Ethan Sands and Jimmy Watkins discuss the importance of locker room leadership, particularly from players who aren't superstars. They debate a hypothetical future decision for the Cavaliers between keeping Max Strus for his cultural impact or De'Andre Hunter for his on-court talent. The conversation identifies Donovan Mitchell as the team's clear leader, while questioning the leadership roles of other players like Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen, and Evan Mobley, suggesting there is an "open conversation" about who will step up.

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