Browns pass rusher Myles Garrett had his opportunity to weight in on the team’s future on Friday during his weekly media availability. Garrett declined to throw his backing behind head coach Kevin Stefanski with his future up in the air.

Garrett did, however, endorse playing for defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz.

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe discussed what Garrett had to say on Friday and what it means about the decision the Browns face in the coming days.

They also talked about whether Schwartz could be a legitimate candidate for the job and why it might make sense if the Browns decide to move on from Stefanski.

Then they discussed the possibility of if Garrett might ask out again if it doesn’t look like the Browns will get to winning as early as next season.

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For the final time this season, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe get you ready for a Browns game as they preview the Week 18 matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.

The game itself takes a backseat to the much bigger question looming over the franchise: Will Kevin Stefanski return as head coach next season?

They try to read the tea leaves and discuss the vibe in Berea that suggests a change could be coming.

They explore the different scenarios, including the possibility of promoting defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz to head coach to maintain continuity on the team's best unit and keep rising offensive coordinator Tommy Rees. Is the grass actually greener, or should the Browns stick with what they have despite two losing seasons?

Plus, they talk about the one thing that matters on the field: Myles Garrett's chase for the sack record against a familiar foe in Joe Burrow.

Lance Reisland joined the show for his final scouting report of the season, breaking down the Bengals' offense and defense and how the Browns can attack them. Lance also makes his pick.

To wrap it up, Mary Kay, Ashley and Dan make their final game picks of the season.

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On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe delve into the rumors surrounding Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski's job security and explore the potential of the Browns pursuing Mike McDaniel as a coaching candidate.

Additionally, they discuss the implications of Wyatt Teller landing on injured reserve just ahead of free agency, raising questions about his future with the team.

In a special segment, Mary Kay is joined by The Athletic's draft expert, Dane Brugler, to analyze the upcoming quarterback class.

They highlight top prospects such as Fernando Mendoza and Dante Moore, discussing their potential impact on the Browns' draft strategy.

The conversation also touches on which players might declare for the draft and evaluates Shedeur Sanders' performance, considering how it could influence the Browns' decisions moving forward.

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On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe talk the future of the Browns' coaching staff.

Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz has expressed interest in being a head coach again. What are the pros and cons of promoting Schwartz, considering his experience and the success of the defense, versus the league trend of hiring younger, offensive-minded coaches?

Could promoting Schwartz or offensive coordinator Tommy Rees provide stability, or do the Browns owe it to themselves to conduct a full, comprehensive coaching search if they move on from Kevin Stefanski?

They also explore the argument for keeping Stefanski as a CEO coach to maintain the continuity of his successful coordinators.

Then, Lance Reisland joins Dan to break down the film from the win over the Steelers.

- How the Steelers game-planned to stop Myles Garrett and whether it was more than usual.

- The decision-making of Aaron Rodgers and the plays he left on the field.

- The continued development and areas for improvement for QB Shedeur Sanders.

- Standout performances from defensive players like Carson Schwesinger, who played through injury, and the impressive physicality of Tyson Campbell.

Finally, we wrap up with a fun draft of overrated holiday traditions, debating everything from the New Year's Eve ball drop to Black Friday shopping.

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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe start by digging into the Browns’ the critical quarterback decision.

Have they seen enough from Shedeur Sanders to anoint him the starter for 2026?

Mary Kay and Dan debate the pros and cons of committing to Sanders' development versus using their two first-round draft picks to trade up for a top rookie prospect like Dante Moore. They analyze the risks involved, the team's draft position, and whether the front office can afford to be wrong.

The conversation extends to the coaching staff, exploring the uncertainty around Kevin Stefanski's future.

They also discuss if veteran defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz deserves another head coaching opportunity elsewhere and consider the intriguing possibility of the Browns promoting young offensive mind Tommy Rees if a change is made.

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The Browns secured a 13-6 victory over the rival Steelers on Sunday, but did the win come at a cost? Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe break down the immediate aftermath.

The win dropped the Browns' draft position from a potential top-three pick to sixth overall, sparking a conversation about the team's future at quarterback.

They debate whether fans should be upset about the draft implications or celebrate a culture-building win against a division foe. This naturally leads to an in-depth evaluation of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders.

Has he shown enough progress to be considered the long-term answer? They explore various paths forward.

They also discuss the ineffectiveness of tanking in the NFL and why players and coaches are always focused on winning the game in front of them.

On the defensive side of the ball, they focus on Myles Garrett's pursuit of the sack record. While Garrett didn't get a sack, they get into how Pittsburgh's entire game plan was dedicated to stopping him and how his mere presence was a game-wrecking force that ultimately contributed to the Browns' victory.

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On this preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe get you ready for the Browns’ home

They start with the future of the quarterback position. With just two games left, can Shedeur Sanders prove he's the guy for 2026 and convince the Browns not to use a top draft pick on a QB?

They also debate if these final games, particularly a win against a rival, could be enough to save Kevin Stefanski's job.

They talk Myles Garrett's pursuit of the single-season sack record. In a twist of fate, he could potentially break the record against Mason Rudolph, reigniting the drama from their infamous helmet-hitting incident in 2019, if the Steelers decide rest their starters. They would clinch the AFC North if the Ravens lose on Saturday night.

Lance Reisland joins the show for his scouting report, breaking down the Steelers' offense under Aaron Rodgers, the impact of DK Metcalf's suspension and the challenges posed by Pittsburgh's formidable defensive front.

Lastly, all four make their picks for Sunday’s matchup in Cleveland.

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We'll be back with a full Orange and Brown Talk preview podcast this weekend. Until then, here's a quick update from Berea from our daily video.

The Browns continued their preparations for the Steelers on Wednesday, but first it was a look back at Shedeur Sanders’ performance against the Bills on Sunday.

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe start their daily recap video by discussing what offensive coordinator Tommy Rees had to say about the progress Sanders made on Sunday and if there’s something to build on from that performance.

Then they turn their attention to left guard Joel Bitonio’s vote of confidence for head coach Kevin Stefanski and what he had to say about the Browns retaining Stefanski for a seventh year.

They wrap up the video by updating some injuries, starting with the Browns and the return to practice for Denzel Ward and Dylan Sampson

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Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod

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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe kick things off with the news that Deshaun Watson will officially finish the season on the PUP list, ending any slim chance of a return this year.

They dive deep into what this means for the Browns' complex quarterback situation heading into the offseason. With Watson still on the roster with a massive contract, what is his role moving forward? Could he be a bridge quarterback for a top draft pick, or will he serve as a backup and mentor?

The conversation then shifts to Shedeur Sanders. Will he be the long-term answer after his seven-game audition? Mary Kay and Dan debate whether the Browns can keep Sanders on the roster if they decide to draft another quarterback, considering the media attention that follows him.

They also touch on a spicy potential storyline: Myles Garrett's quest for the sack record could culminate against none other than Mason Rudolph.

In the second half, Lance Reisland joins the show for his weekly film breakdown of the Browns' game against the Bills. Lance offers his expert opinion on Sanders' performance, where he showed patience but also made critical errors. He also evaluates the struggling offensive line, the defensive issues with gap integrity and tackling.

The episode wraps up with a fun trivia question about which colleges have produced the most NFL players.

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On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe talk the future of the quarterback position.

They discuss the central dilemma: should the Browns build around fifth-round pick Shedeur Sanders and use their high draft picks to acquire a top wide receiver or offensive tackle, or should they draft a new franchise quarterback like Fernando Mendoza or Dante Moore?

The discussion weighs the pros and cons of sticking with Sanders, highlighting his signs of progress and leadership potential against the risk of passing on a rare opportunity to draft a top-tier QB.

This decision is further complicated by the uncertainty surrounding the coaching staff. Dan and Mary Kay explore the job security of head coach Kevin Stefanski, questioning if he will return and how a potential coaching change would impact the team's choice at quarterback.

They contrast this with the relative safety of GM Andrew Berry's position and how his vision might shape the franchise's direction.

They also address subscriber questions about roster management failures, the team's disappointing losses and whether Myles Garrett's pursuit of the sack record has affected the run defense.

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Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod

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