On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe talk all things Shedeur Sanders.

With Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski officially handing him the reins for the rest of the season, they analyze what stood out from the rookie quarterback's latest press conference. They discuss Shedeur's hungry, underdog mentality, noting that as a fifth-round pick, he understands nothing is guaranteed and he has to prove himself in the final four games.

The conversation explores how his draft day fall may have been the best thing for his career, giving him a chip on his shoulder and an edge that's fueling his rapid development.

They also break down his ability to learn from mistakes, like the costly interception against the Titans, and how he's balancing his "hero ball" instincts with smarter play.

They also touch on the dynamic between Sanders and his risk-averse head coach, and how the coach is learning how to best use the rookie's impressive elusiveness and accuracy.

Finally, they look ahead to the frigid matchup against the interception-heavy Chicago Bears, a true test of his progress and mental fortitude.

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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe set up Bears week.

With the Browns eliminated from the playoffs, the focus shifts to the future, and that means all eyes are on quarterback Shedeur Sanders. They discuss his four-game audition for the starting job, breaking down his impressive performance against the Titans, the explosiveness he brings to the offense and the critical need for game management and avoiding costly mistakes.

They also get into how Sanders will fare against the Bears' turnover-happy defense and how the Browns' own run defense will handle Chicago's top-tier rushing attack after a poor showing against Tennessee.

Lance Reisland joins the show to break down the film from the loss to the Titans. Lance offers his perspective on Sanders' growth, toughness and improved processing.

He also provides a detailed schematic breakdown of exactly why the run defense struggled.

The show wraps up with a “Start-Bench-Cut” segment, debating everything from Hall-of-Fame quarterbacks to Christmas cookies.

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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe get right to the biggest topic in Cleveland sports: Shedeur Sanders.

Following the Browns' 31-29 loss to the Titans, Sanders has been named the starting quarterback for the rest of the season, and the hosts break down what's at stake. With four tough games ahead, can the fifth-round pick prove he is the franchise's future and take the Browns out of the quarterback sweepstakes in the 2026 NFL Draft?

Mary Kay and Dan talk Sanders' impressive traits, from his "it factor" and elite accuracy to his surprising elusiveness and guts in the pocket.

They also discuss the massive financial implications of finding a star QB on a rookie deal and how it could allow the Browns to build around him.

Answering questions from Football Insider subscribers, they explore what the quarterback room could look like in 2026 with Sanders, Deshaun Watson and Dillon Gabriel, and debate whether it should be an open competition.

They also dissect the controversial two-point conversions against the Titans and the analytics behind Kevin Stefanski's aggressive decisions.

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On this live postgame edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe dig into the ⁠Browns⁠' 31-29 loss to the Titans.

Despite the loss, the main topic of conversation is the breakout performance of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders, who threw for 364 yards and accounted for four total touchdowns. They discuss how Sanders bolstered his case to be the Browns' starting quarterback for the future, leading two clutch touchdown drives late in the game to give his team a chance to win.

The podcast then pivots to the controversial coaching decisions that ultimately cost the Browns the game. They get into the two failed two-point conversion attempts, specifically the decision to take a red-hot Sanders off the field for the final, game-tying try. They debate the analytics behind the calls and whether it was a moment for "players over plays."

Finally, the discussion turns to the team's numerous mistakes, including costly special teams errors and a defensive letdown, and what this loss could mean for the future of head coach Kevin Stefanski.

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It’s the Browns vs. Titans preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast.

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into Sunday’s game between the Browns and Titans, spotlighting the quarterback duel between Shedeur Sanders and Cam Ward.

They also discuss Myles Garrett's pursuit of the single-season sack record. He’s 3.5 sacks away from tying the record. Could he tie it or break it on Sunday? Could this game be a repeat of the Raiders game for Garrett and the Browns’ defensive line?

Film analyst Lance Reisland joins the show to provide his scouting report, offering insights into key player matchups and strategies to watch for.

Then everyone makes their picks for Sunday’s matchup at Huntington Bank Field.

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Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod

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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kate Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news of Deshaun Watson's

They dig into the team's motivations, suggesting the move is more about evaluating Watson's recovery from his Achilles injury and rewarding his hard work and mentorship of the rookie quarterbacks.

While they believe the plan is to finish the season with the rookies, they all agree you can "never say never" with the Browns.

They also look ahead to the future, analyzing Watson's massive contract and why he is almost certain to be on the roster in 2026. This leads to a discussion about whether he could realistically compete for the starting job next year.

Finally, the group discusses on-field chemistry issues, focusing on the sideline confrontation between Shedeur Sanders and Jerry Jeudy. They explore the importance of timing, trust, and why the final five games are critical for the development of the team's young players.

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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe set the stage for the upcoming Browns

They dive into the intriguing quarterback battle between the Browns' fifth-round pick, Shedeur Sanders, and the Titans' No. 1 overall pick, Cam Ward, and what this game means for both franchises.

The conversation shifts to the future, focusing on draft positioning and whether Sanders can prove he's the long-term answer at quarterback in the season's final games.

Ashley highlights the potential for Myles Garrett to break the NFL's single-season sack record against the oft-sacked Cam Ward.

They also discuss the opportunity for young players like Mike Hall Jr. and Teven Jenkins to get extended looks due to recent injuries.

In the second half of the pod, Lance Reisland joins Dan for a deep dive into the film from the 49ers game.

Lance provides a detailed analysis of Shedeur Sanders' performance, pointing out both high-level plays and correctable issues with his footwork and timing. They also dissect special teams breakdowns and the

To wrap things up, Dan and Lance have a four-round draft of the worst parts of winter.

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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into the fallout from the Browns' 26-8 loss to the 49ers.

They begin by discussing the decision to handle quarterback Shedeur Sanders' starting role on a week-to-week basis. Is it a good strategy to keep Sanders hungry and prevent him from getting too comfortable?

The conversation then turns to the offense's chemistry issues, particularly the visible on-field frustration between Sanders and wide receiver Jerry Jeudy. Mary Kay and Dan explore why Jeudy is having a subpar season and what his long-term future looks like in Cleveland, considering his contract makes him difficult to move.

Mary Kay and Dan also break down the game's most critical blunders, including the confusing and ultimately failed 4th-and-1 direct snap to Harold Fannin Jr. and the continued abysmal play from the special teams

Then they tackle the big-picture question of whether Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski are "joined at the hip" as the team faces another losing season.

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In this live postgame edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe break down the Browns' 26-8 loss to the San Francisco 49ers.

They start by analyzing the performance of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders in his second start. They discuss the positive takeaways, including a well-thrown touchdown pass to Harold Fannin Jr. and avoiding costly interceptions, while also examining his development and what these final games mean for his future with the team.

Can he do enough to prove he's the long-term answer at quarterback?

They also touch on the sideline frustration between Sanders and Jerry Jeudy, the team's offensive chemistry issues and the overall sense of a season of missed opportunities.

Another major topic of discussion? The continued struggles of the special teams. They detail several critical errors, from a muffed punt to poor returns, that gave the 49ers excellent field position and directly impacted the game's outcome.

They explore how these recurring mistakes have cost the Browns multiple games this season, largely wasting a dominant defensive effort.

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The ⁠⁠⁠Browns⁠⁠⁠ return home on Sunday to host the San Francisco 49ers, a team fighting for the playoffs but also traveling cross-country on a short week to play in Cleveland.

Rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders will make his second consecutive start for the Browns.

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe begin this week’s preview edition of the ⁠⁠⁠Orange and Brown Talk podcast⁠⁠⁠ by talking about what to expect from Sanders in his second start. Will he take positive steps forward or will 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh have him off balance?

Then Lance Reisland joins the podcast to give his scouting report of the 49ers. What do they do well? Where can the Browns win their matchups against them?Lance also makes his pick for Sunday’s game.

Then Mary Kay and Ashley rejoin the pod and, along with Dan, make their picks for Sunday in Cleveland.

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