On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, and Dan Labbe get into the topic of the week: Shedeur Sanders has been named the starting quarterback for the Browns’ game against the Las Vegas Raiders.

They discuss Sanders’ supreme confidence heading into his first NFL start, how the coaching staff can balance his big-play style with smart game management and the challenge of facing the Raiders on the road.

Then, Mary Kay sits down with a very special guest: former Browns quarterback and Cleveland native, Brian Hoyer. Brian provides a unique quarterback’s perspective on Sanders’ potential and what he needs to improve on.

He draws compelling parallels between the current quarterback situation with Dillon Gabriel and his own experience playing alongside Johnny Manziel. Hoyer also weighs in on Manziel’s recent comments about the organization and shares his heartfelt well wishes for Browns legend Bernie Kosar.

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On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, it’s all about Raiders week and the expected first NFL start for Browns rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders.

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe set the table for the week and Mary Kay is 99.9% certain Sanders will start and explains what the Browns need to do to design a game plan that maximizes his skill set as a drop-back passer.

Ashley discusses the Browns’ terrible track record in West Coast games and why this matchup might not be the easy win some fans expect.

They also marvel at Myles Garrett’s dominant season and wonders what he has in store for the Raiders.

Then, Lance Reisland joins Dan for a deep dive into the Ravens film.

Lance breaks down every snap from Shedeur Sanders’ debut, highlighting the good, the bad and the footwork. He offers his game plan for Sanders and explains why the interior defensive line has been so crucial to Garrett’s success.

Finally, Lance and Dan have some fun with a Thanksgiving food draft, building a starting lineup of their favorite holiday dishes.

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On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into the start of the Shedeur Sanders era.

With Dillon Gabriel in the concussion protocol, Sanders is on track for his first career start against the Raiders, and the questions from Football Insider subscribers are flying in.

Mary Kay and Dan break down whether Sanders has what it takes to run away with the starting job. They analyze his debut performance against the Ravens, discussing his elite arm talent and catchable ball versus his struggles with reading defenses and taking sacks.

The conversation explores how offensive coordinator Tommy Rees might simplify the game plan for the rookie and the importance of avoiding the high-risk, high-reward plays.

They also tackle the "reps-gate" controversy, debating if the Browns' roster construction and lack of first-team reps set Sanders up for a difficult debut.

Finally, they look at the bigger picture: Can a strong performance earn Sanders the job long-term, and how can anyone accurately assess head coach Kevin Stefanski amidst the constant quarterback shuffling?

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Barring a quick run through the concussion protocol by Dillon Gabriel, it will be Shedeur Sanders starting next week for the Browns against the Las Vegas Raiders.

Sanders came in to start the second half of Sunday’s 23-16 loss after Gabriel was removed with a concussion.

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe started the postgame edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast by discussing Sanders’ debut and what could be different next week if he does, in fact, make the first start of his NFL career.

They also talk about the performance of pass rusher Myles Garrett, who added four more sacks on Sunday and is on track to break the single-season record and win his second Defensive Player of the Year award.

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The ⁠Browns⁠ return home on Sunday to host their AFC North rivals, the Baltimore Ravens. It’s the second meeting between the two and it’s a matchup between two teams going in very different directions.

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe begin this week’s preview edition of the ⁠Orange and Brown Talk podcast⁠ by looking ahead to Sunday’s matchup and talking through some of the storylines they’re watching.

Can Tommy Rees and Dillon Gabriel get the offense moving? Can Carson Schwesinger slow down Lamar Jackson? Could we see Shedeur Sanders this week?

Then Lance Reisland joins the podcast to give his scouting report of the Ravens. What has changed about Baltimore since the last time the two teams played? How can the Browns attack them on both sides of the ball?

Lance also makes his pick for Sunday’s game.

Then Mary Kay and Ashley rejoin the pod and, along with Dan, make their picks for Sunday at Huntington Bank Field.

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On Wednesday’s edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dig into the Browns’ quarterback situation as they prepare to face the Baltimore Ravens.

The main topic is Dillon Gabriel’s struggle with accuracy and the mounting pressure for him and offensive coordinator Tommy Rees to turn things around. With backup Shedeur Sanders waiting in the wings, a sense of urgency is growing.

They discuss whether the offensive woes are all on Gabriel or if a struggling receiving corps and protection issues share the blame.

They analyze the statistics, from Gabriel’s low completion percentage to the receivers’ high number of drops, painting a picture of a comprehensive offensive problems. This leads to the central debate: Should the Browns stick with their plan and allow Gabriel more time to develop, or is it time to see what Sanders can do?

They weigh the pros and cons of throwing a rookie into a difficult situation versus staying patient in a season where playoff hopes have faded.

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On Wednesday’s Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe spin it forward to the Browns’ Week 11 matchup against the Baltimore Ravens.

After a devastating loss to the Jets, can the Browns rebound at home?

They discuss the state of the Ravens, who are on a winning streak with a healthy Lamar Jackson, and debate whether Cleveland’s stout home defense gives them a chance for a shocking upset.

They also analyze the offense under new play-caller Tommy Rees, try to find encouraging signs from Dillon Gabriel and Jerry Jeudy and how other players can get more involved.

Then, Lance Reisland joins the show for his weekly film breakdown of the loss to the Jets. Lance details exactly what went wrong on the two special teams touchdowns, the ongoing fundamental issues with the offensive line and the costly mental mistakes that doomed the Browns in a winnable game.

To wrap up, Lance and Dan draft all-time NFL greats using a blind resume format where they pick a team by number and then select a player from that franchise’s history. Who builds the better team?

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On this Monday, Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe are back from New York to break down the Browns' 27-20 loss to the Jets.

With other NFL coaches getting fired, they start by answering a Football Insider subscriber's question about Kevin Stefanski's job security. Mary Kay explains why she believes Stefanski is safe for now, but Dan wonders if the ugly loss to the Jets could change the thinking in Berea.

Then, they dive deep into the quarterback situation. Mary Kay makes her case for why the Browns should stick with Dillon Gabriel, giving him more time with new play-caller Tommy Rees.

They discuss the struggles of the offense, from sacks and penalties to a lack of continuity with injured players. How long is Gabriel's leash before the team turns to Shedeur Sanders?

Finally, they look at the bigger picture, discussing how the evaluation of the rookie quarterbacks this season ties into the Browns' expected plan to draft a franchise quarterback in 2026 and why the final eight games of this season are still crucial for the coaching staff and the organization.

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Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod

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On our postgame edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe break down the Browns' frustrating 27-20 loss to the New York Jets.

They start with the quarterback position.

After Kevin Stefanski announced he's sticking with Dillon Gabriel, they discuss why that might be the right call, giving Gabriel and new play-caller Tommy Rees more time to gel.

They weigh the patience required for a rookie against the growing fan clamor to see Shedeur Sanders, acknowledging that the rest of the season is about evaluating these young quarterbacks.

Then, the conversation shifts to the special teams, which completely imploded. A kickoff return and a punt return for touchdowns in just 36 seconds led to 14 points for the Jets.

On defense, a critical offsides penalty by Cam Thomas cost the Browns dearly.

This leads to a bigger discussion: Is this loss the final straw? The hosts question the coaching, the mental errors and whether it's fair to start wavering on the long-term outlook for Kevin Stefanski and his staff.

It was a day of maddening mistakes that has them wondering where the Browns go from here in another disappointing season.

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Browns Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta is leaving the team to lead the Colorado Rockies.

We start our Browns at Jets preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast by discussing DePodesta’s departure and what it means for the Browns moving forward.

Then we turn our attention to Sunday’s game as the Browns try to snap a 12-game road losing streak this week when they head to New Jersey to take on the Jets at MetLife Stadium. The Browns are 2-6 and the Jets are 1-7.

Both teams are coming off their bye but took very different approaches to the trade deadline. New York traded away cornerback Sauce Gardner and defensive tackle Quinnen Williams while the Browns stood pat.

We get into all angles of this matchup.

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe start the podcast by talking about DePodesta and also Tommy Rees calling plays.

Then Lance Reisland joins the show to go over his Jets scouting report and makes his pick.

Then Mary Kay and Ashley rejoin the pod and they make their picks for Sunday’s game.

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