Do you find yourself playing it safe to keep others happy? Does the thought of disappointing people fill you with dread? What if your desire to be ‘good’ is actually stopping you from being great?

[0:54] Chelle introduces Dr. Margie Warrell, bestselling author and leadership advisor who helps organizations build cultures of courage.

[1:50] Margie shares a personal story about times she found it hard to break free of good girl expectations.

[7:12] Margie and Chelle discuss learning to disappoint people and the challenge of saying "no."

[13.57] Margie helps us understand how fear lives in the body and the physical manifestation of fear.

[20.28] Margie explains the two core dimensions of courage: our relationship with fear and our willingness to take action despite fear.

[25:00] Chelle and Margie discuss how women often conform to good girl expectations because it feels safer in the short term.

[26.20] Chelle and Margie discuss temporal bias and why we tend to focus on short-term comfort over long-term fulfillment.

[31:02] Chelle highlights the importance of learning to forgive ourselves when we "wimp out."

[31:50] Margie shares the importance of self-compassion and cultivating an inner voice of love.

[37:27] Margie shares her final thoughts.

[39.42] Post-show behind-the-scenes with Chelle and Evie.

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