In this episode of Outside the Box Family Practice Care, Dr. Matthew Kettman (a.k.a. Dr. Rock) sits down with longtime friend and personal attorney Michael Schwartz for a powerful conversation at the crossroads of medicine, law, and life. Michael shares his inspiring journey—from a childhood marked by resilience to building a successful law firm rooted in integrity and strategy.

Together, they unpack legal insights for healthcare professionals and patients alike, touching on contracts, patient rights, and why trust matters when choosing an attorney or a doctor. Influenced by The Art of War, Michael’s approach to law emphasizes strength through peace—mirroring Dr. Rock’s own philosophy in medicine.

The episode also dives into themes of faith, family, and mentorship. Michael discusses coaching youth hockey, working with his son, and the “hold the rope” mindset that builds real leadership. Whether you're in healthcare, business, or simply looking to live with more intention, this episode delivers practical wisdom and heartfelt insight.

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