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Boys and men are struggling: in the classroom, the workplace, and in the family. In the new book Of Boys and Men, which hit shelves last month, Brookings Institution scholar (and father of three sons) Richard V. Reeves examines this crisis and argues that helping boys and men doesn’t mean abandoning the ideal of gender equality.

Richard contends that we can hold two thoughts in our head at once: we can be passionate about women’s rights and compassionate toward vulnerable boys and men—and I have to say, I was a little worried going into this interview, if we would touch a third rail of some sort. But I found Richard’s arguments very compelling and 100% reasonable. We talk about why it’s actually OK to root for males, how income inequality comes into play, why boys are falling behind in school, and what are some of the solutions we can embrace to solve some of these problems.

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