We share a conversation with Tanganekald, Meintangk, and Boandik woman, Irene Watson. Irene is a pro vice-chancellor at the University of South Australia, a First Nations representative to the UN and has been published widely in law, Indigenous and feminist journals. She speaks from her position as a First Nations' person to critique and examine the colonial legal system, particularly by questioning its attempts at recognition of Aboriginal relationships to land and laws.Features music by Edi Donald and the Transients