In this episode, I spoke with Celeste Bannon Waterman, Partner/Lead of Research & Analytics at KCI. The topic was a document she sent me that details the 4 stages a non-profit can go through as it becomes more and more sophisticated in terms of data infrastructure, analytics, and data science. I found the conversation to be very philosophical, interesting, and enlightening. Then again, I'm probably biased because she was my old boss when I worked at KCI!