Doug Martsch (!) joins us on today's episode, a few weeks since When The Wind Forgets Your Name has been out, to talk working at Kinko's, prioritising music but never imagining a full-time job of it, making funny music videos, and some more.

Rival Schools are playing 2000 Trees Festival 2023. Get your early (cheaper) tickets at twothousandtreesfestival.co.uk

Songs: Built to Spill 'Elements', Cock Sparrer ‘Working’

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