We talk with Ken Carloni and Kasey Hovik about changing the "Douglas" reference, for Douglas County, from Stephen Douglas (a politician) to David Douglas (the botanist who first described the Douglas fir tree). In the first half we also discuss the racist beginnings of Oregon, including the racist views of Joseph Lane, who Roseburg's middle school is named after. In the second half we also discuss the ecological practices of Native Americans in Oregon. It all makes for a fascinating discussion.

In honor of David Douglas's work naming Oregons plants, our ending song is about naming wildlife, "A Crash of Rhinoceros" by Carrie Newcomer.

In this conversation, we reference:

The Douglas County Museum: http://umpquavalleymuseums.org/museums/douglas-county-museum/

and Umpqua Watersheds: https://umpquawatersheds.org/

Check back here to find a link to the petition Ken Carloni is writing so the Douglas County commissioners can officially change the Douglas County name reference. Or, just ask the commissioners to do it now.