In episode 13 Daniel sits down with Pastor Dr. Derwin Gray. Dr. Gray is the lead pastor at Transformation Church in South Carolina. Dr. Gray is a former NFL player and author of many books including The High Definition Leader: Building Multiethnic Churches in a Multiethnic World (2015).

Daniel talks with Dr. Gray about his story, from being in the NFL, to becoming a lead pastor, how does a church become multi-ethnic, and the comments made about Beth Moore. After the episode, Daniel and Jessica talk about Kanye’s album, multi-ethnic ministries, and much more. 

Buy Dr. Gray’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/High-Definition-Leader-Building-Multiethnic/dp/0718031636/ref=nodl_

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Co-Host, Jessica Senbetu (shorturl.at/gjLO7)

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