Dr Haare Williams returns with part two of an interview about his book 'Words of a Kaumatua' a collection of poetry and prose. The former broadcaster talks about recording the stories of the Maori experience, like asking poet Hone Tuwhare for an impromptu poem while walking to Waitangi during a protest, or travelling down the Waikato river recording stories about the New Zealand Land Wars. He recites a few of his poems and talks about his artwork in this week's episode of Te Ahi Kaa.