All patients are different so it’s not always a great idea to let them know how deep and/or esoteric a session may become before they walk into the clinic. As special guest for this episode Dr Lois Nethery explains how she attempts to be wholistic and objective while recognising that a TCM practitioners special sauce will always be their subjectivity. Clare and Jack must have sometimes wondered who was interviewing who in this deeply thought provoking and sometimes magical podcast.