Scripture to prove that JC couldn't have been a Hebrew but was most likely an edomite.
Matthew 1:11: Josiah begat Jeconiah and his brothers during the Babylonian exile.Jeremiah 22:28-30: states Jeconiah had no sons.Ezra: Priests were dismissed for not having a pure bloodline, being of mixed heritage.In Christ's time, Edomites held ruling class positions, which could suggest Jesus may have had Edomite ancestry.Matthew 1:11: Josiah the father of Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
Josiah: King of Judah, known for his reforms and efforts to restore proper worship.Jeconiah (also known as Jehoiachin or Coniah): Son of Josiah, who reigned briefly before the Babylonian exile.Brothers: This likely refers to Jeconiah's brothers, such as Zedekiah, who also played roles during this tumultuous period.Exile to Babylon: The Babylonian exile was a pivotal event in Hebrew history where the Babylonian Empire conquered Judah, leading to the destruction of the Temple and the deportation of the Hebrew people.This verse is part of the genealogy of Jesus, demonstrating His royal lineage through David.The mention of Jeconiah during the exile highlights the significant shift in Israel's history and the fulfillment of prophetic warnings about disobedience leading to exile.Despite Jeconiah's cursed lineage (Jeremiah 22:28-30), the genealogy continues through him, ultimately leading to Jesus, emphasizing themes of redemption and God's overarching plan.28 Is this man Jehoiachin a despised, broken pot, an object no one wants? Why will he and his children be hurled out, cast into a land they do not know?
29 O land, land, land, hear the word of the Lord!
30 This is what the Lord says: “Record this man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah.”
This passage indeed suggests that Jehoiachin (also known as Jeconiah or Coniah) would have no descendants who would prosper or sit on the throne, implying a significant curse on his lineage. It doesn't explicitly say he has no sons and Christian translations of the Bible, but it does in the direct translation of Hebrew which can only mean that it was purposefully removed in order to continue on in the narrative to give him legitimacy.
Information in the Book of Kings that mentions Jeconiah (also known as Jehoiachin) and his descendants. Here's a relevant passage:
8 Jehoiachin son of Jehoiakim began to reign in the third year of King Nebuchadnezzar's reign, He was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Nehushta daughter of Elnathan; she was from Jerusalem. He did what was evil in the Lord's sight, just as his father had done.
9 In the spring, during the king's fourth year, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon marched against Jerusalem, and Jehoiachin son of Jehoiakim king of Judah surrendered to him. The king of Babylon took him to the land of Babylon. He imprisoned him and carried off all the treasures found in the temple and in the royal palaces, and took away all the gold and silver articles, which were carried to Babylon.
10 To put him in a loathsome state, the king of Babylon also carried off some of the royal family and the nobles, along with a large number of captives from the land of Judah.
11 Jehoiachin's uncle, “Zedekiah”, was made king in his place.
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned three months in Jerusalem, and his mother's name was Nehushta the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
9 And he did what was evil in the eyes of the Lord like all that his father had done.
10 At that time, the servants of Nebuchadnezzar went up against Jerusalem and the city was brought under siege.
11 And Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylonia came to the city, and his servants were besieging it.
12 And Jehoiachin, the king of Judah, came out to the king of Babylonia, he and his mother and his servants and his officers and his mighty warriors, and the king of Babylonia took him in the eighth year of his reign.
13 And he removed from there all the treasures of the house of the Lord and the treasures of the king's palace, and he stripped off all the golden decorations that Solomon king of Israel had made in the Temple of the Lord, as the Lord had spoken.
This passage indicates that Jeconiah was 18 years old when he was taken, as he was imprisoned in Babylon along with his family. However, the “curse” mentioned in Jeremiah 22:28-30 implies that he would have no descendants , and because of the Mistranslations of the Christian biblical text it leaves others to believe that he was "childless" in a royal or legal sense. And considering that he was 18 when he was taken into captivity, and his mother was his queen consort which insinuates that he never married, and there's not much discussion of what happens to him after he goes into captivity and Babylon.
Ezra was a priest and scribe who played a significant role in the spiritual revival of the Jewish people after their return from Babylonian exile. He was passionate about restoring the worship practices and ensuring the purity of the priesthood.
- Ezra 6:18: "And they set the priests in their divisions and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God's house, to keep the duty of the house" And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Leviyiym in their courses, for the service of Elohiym, which is at Yerushalayim; as it is written in the cepher of Mosheh. EZRA V'NECHEMYAHU (EZRA) 6:18
- Ezra 7:6: "For Ezra had devoted himself to the study and observance of the Law of the Lord, and to teaching its decrees and laws in Israel"This Ezra went up from Babel; and he was a ready scribe in the Torah of Mosheh, which Yahuah Elohai of Yashar'el had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of Yahuah Elohayu upon him. EZRA V'NECHEMYAHU (EZRA) 7:6
- Ezra 9:1-2: "The leaders came to me and said, 'the people of Israel, including the priests and the Levites, have not kept themselves separate from the neighboring peoples with their detestable practices...They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them'"
Ezra's reforms focused on purifying the priesthood and ensuring that the leaders and priests adhered to the Law of Moses
Torah Perspective on Jeconiah's Lineage
1. Torah Law on Lineage: The Torah emphasizes the importance of pure lineage, especially for priests and kings. Any mixed heritage, especially with non-Israelites, is considered a violation of God's commandments (Deuteronomy 7:3-4).
2. Jeconiah's Exile: Jeconiah's reign and subsequent exile to Babylon were seen as a result of his and his father's disobedience to God's laws (2 Kings 24:8-12). His exile was a divine judgment, and his lineage was cursed (Jeremiah 22:28-30).
3. Priestly Lineage: Ezra's reforms focused on purifying the priesthood, ensuring that only those with pure Israelite heritage could serve (Ezra 9:1-2). This would exclude any descendants of Jeconiah who had mixed heritage.
4. Edomite Influence: During the time of Christ, the Edomites, descendants of Esau, had significant influence and intermarried with the Israelites, leading to a dilution of the pure Israelite bloodline (Ezra 9:1-2).
In Christ's time, Edomites held ruling class positions, which could suggest Jesus may have had Edomite ancestry.**
Implications for Jesus' Lineage:
- Lineage Refutation: The inclusion of Jeconiah in the genealogy of Jesus (Matthew 1:11) is problematic from a Torah standpoint due to the curse to not have sons. This suggests that Jesus' lineage, through Jeconiah, would be seen as unsuitable for kingship or priestly roles.
- Potential Edomite Ancestry: The significant presence and influence of Edomites during Christ's time raises the possibility that Jesus might have had Edomite ancestry. This would further complicate His claim to a pure Israelite lineage as required by Torah laws for priests and kings.
From a Torah perspective, the lineage of Jeconiah, combined with the influence of Edomites during Christ's time, raises significant questions about the purity of Jesus' ancestry. This would have profound implications for His qualifications as a king or priest under Torah law.
1. Jeconiah's Lineage and Curse:
Jeremiah 22:28-30 highlights the curse on Jeconiah, disqualifying his descendants from royal status. Ezra's Reforms: Ensured purity in the priesthood, rejecting those with mixed heritage. Edomites (descendants of Esau) were prevalent in Christ's time and held ruling positions. This influence suggests potential intermingling, complicating the purity of lineages.3. Connection to Chittam/Rome:
Historical ties between Edom and Rome (Chittam) further blur the lines of pure heritage. This could imply that Jesus' lineage might have been influenced by these connections, leading to possible manipulation of genealogical records.4. Purpose of Manipulation:
Establishing a direct line from David to Jesus would solidify His claim as the Messiah. Given the Edomite and Roman influences, manipulating the lineage could have been a way to align with prophecies and establish legitimacy.The intertwining of Edomite influence, the curse on Jeconiah, and the connections to Rome provide a compelling narrative for why the lineage might have been adjusted. This not only addresses the theological and political landscape of the time but also fits within the broader historical context.
Marcion of Sinope, a significant figure in early Christianity, had strong views about the God of Israel and the God of the New Testament. Here are some of his notable quotes:
On the God of the Old Testament: Marcion referred to the God of the Old Testament as a "committed barbarian" who favored bandits and terrorists like Israel's King David. He believed this God was different from the God revealed in the New Testament. On the New Testament God: Marcion taught that the God of the New Testament, revealed through Jesus Christ, was a higher and more benevolent deity. He saw the gospel as a revelation from this higher God, distinct from the deity described in the Old Testament. Antithesis: Marcion's work, "Antithesis," emphasized the stark contrast between the Old Testament deity and the New Testament deity. He argued that the two could not be the same, leading him to reject the Old Testament God entirely.These quotes reflect Marcion's belief in the separation between the God of Israel and the Father of Christ, which was a radical departure from traditional Hebrews. Marcion is also credited with creating one of the earliest versions of the New Testament canon. He compiled a collection of Pauline epistles and the Gospel of Luke, excluding the Old Testament entirely. This collection is often considered the first draft of the New Testament, as it influenced the formation of the Christian biblical canon. Qualifications and Lineage for Levitical Priests and Kings:
- Pure Lineage: Must be a descendant of Aaron (Leviticus 21:1-8).
- Physical Purity: Must not have any physical blemishes (Leviticus 21:17-23).
- Purity Laws: Follow stringent purity laws (Leviticus 21:1-15).
- Leviticus 21:1-8: "No one of your descendants throughout their generations who has a blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God."
- Leviticus 21:17-23: "Speak to Aaron, saying: None of your descendants who has a defect shall come near to offer the bread of his God."
- Chosen by God: Should be chosen by God from among the Israelites (Deuteronomy 17:15).
- Israelite Lineage: Must be from among the Israelites (Deuteronomy 17:15).
- Avoid Excess: Must not accumulate excessive wealth, wives, or horses (Deuteronomy 17:16-17).
- Adherence to Torah: Must write a copy of the Torah and read it regularly (Deuteronomy 17:18-20).
- Deuteronomy 17:15: "Be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your fellow Israelites. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not an Israelite."
- Deuteronomy 17:16-20: "The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them... He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold."
- The Torah emphasizes the importance of lineage, particularly for priests and kings.
- Any mixed heritage, especially with non-Israelites, was often considered a violation of God's commandments.
- Priests must have pure lineage from both parents ideally being Israelites.
- Kings must be chosen from among the Israelites, ideally with pure Hebrew bloodline.
- Leviticus 21:1-15: Describes the purity laws for priests.
- Deuteronomy 17:15: Stipulates the king must be from among the Israelites.
Marcion and Tertullian Timeline:
- Active during the mid-2nd century.
- Drafted the first New Testament text with a distinct theological perspective.
- Influenced early Christian thought significantly.
- Born around 155-160 CE.
- Wrote against Marcion's teachings approximately 50-70 years later.
- His critiques were part of the broader theological discourse of the time.
- Reflect principles and ideas that align with Marcion.
- Influence later Christian thought.
- Often debated in historical contexts.
1. **Jeremiah 22:28-30**:
- David Guzik, "Study Guide for Jeremiah 22," Blue Letter Bible [A](https://www.blueletterbible.org/comm/guzik_david/study-guide/jeremiah/jeremiah-22.cfm?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fY29udmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJUZXRvUXd2OXJoUmpOdUhydHVWWWMiLCJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tEZXN0aW5hdGlvbiI6Imh0dHBzOlwvXC93d3cuYmx1ZWxldHRlcmJpYmxlLm9yZ1wvY29tbVwvZ3V6aWtfZGF2aWRcL3N0dWR5LWd1aWRlXC9qZXJlbWlhaFwvamVyZW1pYWgtMjIuY2ZtIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX21lc3NhZ2VJZCI6IkxpQ1U0MUpBVFBUeWpzOUV4VlJ4QyIsImV2ZW50SW5mb19jbGlja1NvdXJjZSI6ImNpdGF0aW9uTGluayJ9&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1). [Link](https://www.blueletterbible.org/comm/guzik_david/study-guide/jeremiah/jeremiah-22.cfm)
- Johann Peter Lange, "Lange's Commentary on the Holy Scriptures: Critical, Doctrinal and Homiletical," BiblePortal [B](http://www.bibleportal.com/commentary/section/lange-s-commentary-on-the-holy-scriptures-critical-doctrinal-and-homiletical/318691?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fY29udmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJUZXRvUXd2OXJoUmpOdUhydHVWWWMiLCJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tTb3VyY2UiOiJjaXRhdGlvbkxpbmsiLCJldmVudEluZm9fbWVzc2FnZUlkIjoiTGlDVTQxSkFUUFR5anM5RXhWUnhDIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX2NsaWNrRGVzdGluYXRpb24iOiJodHRwOlwvXC93d3cuYmlibGVwb3J0YWwuY29tXC9jb21tZW50YXJ5XC9zZWN0aW9uXC9sYW5nZS1zLWNvbW1lbnRhcnktb24tdGhlLWhvbHktc2NyaXB0dXJlcy1jcml0aWNhbC1kb2N0cmluYWwtYW5kLWhvbWlsZXRpY2FsXC8zMTg2OTEifQ%3D%3D&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1). [Link](http://www.bibleportal.com/commentary/section/lange-s-commentary-on-the-holy-scriptures-critical-doctrinal-and-homiletical/318691)
- Enduring Word, "Bible Commentary Jeremiah Chapter 22," Enduring Word [C](https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/jeremiah-22/?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fY29udmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJUZXRvUXd2OXJoUmpOdUhydHVWWWMiLCJldmVudEluZm9fbWVzc2FnZUlkIjoiTGlDVTQxSkFUUFR5anM5RXhWUnhDIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX2NsaWNrU291cmNlIjoiY2l0YXRpb25MaW5rIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX2NsaWNrRGVzdGluYXRpb24iOiJodHRwczpcL1wvZW5kdXJpbmd3b3JkLmNvbVwvYmlibGUtY29tbWVudGFyeVwvamVyZW1pYWgtMjJcLyJ9&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1). [Link](https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/jeremiah-22/)
- David Guzik, "Study Guide for 2 Kings 24," Blue Letter Bible [D](https://www.blueletterbible.org/comm/guzik_david/study-guide/2-kings/2-kings-24.cfm?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fY29udmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJUZXRvUXd2OXJoUmpOdUhydHVWWWMiLCJldmVudEluZm9fbWVzc2FnZUlkIjoiTGlDVTQxSkFUUFR5anM5RXhWUnhDIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX2NsaWNrRGVzdGluYXRpb24iOiJodHRwczpcL1wvd3d3LmJsdWVsZXR0ZXJiaWJsZS5vcmdcL2NvbW1cL2d1emlrX2RhdmlkXC9zdHVkeS1ndWlkZVwvMi1raW5nc1wvMi1raW5ncy0yNC5jZm0iLCJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tTb3VyY2UiOiJjaXRhdGlvbkxpbmsifQ%3D%3D&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1). [Link](https://www.blueletterbible.org/comm/guzik_david/study-guide/2-kings/2-kings-24.cfm)
- Peter Pett, "Peter Pett's Commentary on the Bible," Bíblia Plus [E](https://www.bibliaplus.org/en/commentaries/138/peter-petts-commentary-on-the-bible/2-kings/24/8-17?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fbWVzc2FnZUlkIjoiTGlDVTQxSkFUUFR5anM5RXhWUnhDIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX2NsaWNrRGVzdGluYXRpb24iOiJodHRwczpcL1wvd3d3LmJpYmxpYXBsdXMub3JnXC9lblwvY29tbWVudGFyaWVzXC8xMzhcL3BldGVyLXBldHRzLWNvbW1lbnRhcnktb24tdGhlLWJpYmxlXC8yLWtpbmdzXC8yNFwvOC0xNyIsImV2ZW50SW5mb19jbGlja1NvdXJjZSI6ImNpdGF0aW9uTGluayIsImV2ZW50SW5mb19jb252ZXJzYXRpb25JZCI6IlRldG9Rd3Y5cmhSak51SHJ0dVZZYyJ9&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1). [Link](https://www.bibliaplus.org/en/commentaries/138/peter-petts-commentary-on-the-bible/2-kings/24/8-17)
- Inspired Scripture, "2 Kings 24: Lessons From the Mistakes of Judah's Final Three Wicked Kings," Inspired Scripture [F](https://inspiredscripture.com/bible-studies/2-kings-24?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fY29udmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJUZXRvUXd2OXJoUmpOdUhydHVWWWMiLCJldmVudEluZm9fbWVzc2FnZUlkIjoiTGlDVTQxSkFUUFR5anM5RXhWUnhDIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX2NsaWNrRGVzdGluYXRpb24iOiJodHRwczpcL1wvaW5zcGlyZWRzY3JpcHR1cmUuY29tXC9iaWJsZS1zdHVkaWVzXC8yLWtpbmdzLTI0IiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX2NsaWNrU291cmNlIjoiY2l0YXRpb25MaW5rIn0%3D&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1). [Link](https://inspiredscripture.com/bible-studies/2-kings-24)
- I will search for scholarly sources on this topic and provide them shortly.
4. **Marcion of Sinope**:
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