In this “Driving Through” episode, Alex and Cole drive through Utah, riffing about their recent experience in Zion National Park and why it seems like national parks are getting too busy and chaotic. Does the government make more parks? Does it abolish them? They also talk about their fascination with Utah, Mike Pence running for president, and why RFK Jr. may be a thorn in Joe Biden’s side.

Driving Through Utah w/ Cole Costello: The National Parks Problem, Mike Pence Announces, Trump Embraces Kim Jung Un & RFK Jr. Issues

Alex Kopytko is a ”radical centrist” that wants to understand the extremes. He has worked in politics and has studied public policy and political science. Alex argues that centrism is less about being a contrarian, it is about being able to change your mind and embrace an openness to new ideas. He is concerned about where the United States is headed and through conversations with people from all sides of the political spectrum, he wants to know how Americans can limit the tribalism that is flourishing. As someone that dances along the center-right of the political spectrum, Alex thinks the country needs to come together and talk to one another before it could be too late. This podcast covers domestic politics, as well as political philosophy, and international issues.

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Driving Through Utah w/ Cole Costello: The National Parks Problem, Mike Pence Announces, Trump Embraces Kim Jung Un & RFK Jr. Issues

Driving Through Utah w/ Cole Costello: The National Parks Problem, Mike Pence Announces, Trump Embraces Kim Jung Un & RFK Jr. Issues

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