In episode 43, Bettina speaks with Chris Johnson, CEO of the Urban Taskforce Australia. In the first part, Chris shares his downsizing journey and how he let go of an extensive aboriginal art collection and some of their furniture. He also explains how their lifestyle changed after moving to a 2-bedroom apartment.

In the second part, Bettina and Chris discuss the research results from a poll about apartment living commissioned by the Urban Taskforce Australia. The results are quite impressive, with over 56 per cent of Sydneysiders from various age groups involved in apartment living.

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