E-scooters, they're being trialled in over 30 areas in the UK, some say they're the future of green urban travel, whilst others say they're a disruptive fad. Matt Chorley speaks to the Head of Roads Policy at the RAC, Nick Lyes and Lindsay Coyle, the local campaigns manager at the Royal National Institute for Blind People, as well as Nick Freeman, aka Mr. Loophole, a traffic lawyer petitioning the government to require e-scooter riders to display a visible ID. And last but not least, he asks Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East about the success of e-scooters in Bristol.

PLUS he dives into Tuesday's news with Times Columnists Danny Finkelstein and David Aaronovitch on Keir Starmer being uncharismatic and a report from the Pentagon detailing evidence on UFO's.

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