In this episode, Ben shares the deeply personal story that reshaped his life and set him on a path from aspiring Army Air Corps pilot to one of the UK’s leading mental health campaigners. After losing his younger brother Sam to suicide at just 15, Ben channelled his grief into action, interrogating the systems around education, healthcare and policy to understand what went wrong and how it can be prevented for others. What emerges is not just a story of loss, but one of determination, courage and a refusal to accept surface-level solutions.

Together, Mark and Ben explore why awareness alone is not enough, the critical importance of strengthening foundations like teacher training, and how real systems change happens behind the scenes in government and the NHS. This conversation unpacks leadership, responsibility and the small “boring” changes that can ultimately save lives. Honest, thoughtful and solutions-focused, this episode challenges us all to rethink what meaningful mental health reform really looks like.