Nick Cuthbert is a leadership expert and widely known across the UK through his books and ministry, as well as his  leadership and Church consultancy work. We hear from Nick about the opportunity leading in a time of change brings for organisations. We also gain insights about leading teams, control and leadership, healthy leadership, crisis and leadership, but also the shape of things to come. Is this the end of churches as we know them and the start of something exciting? Listen in on a conversation with a good friend and mentor.