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 Guest 

Kavi Arasu founded Flyntrok, a change consultancy built on deep listening, reframing, and human-centered organizational change. He spent two decades in leadership, talent, and organizational development roles inside large companies before going independent. 

Episode Notes

 We talk about organizational change as if it's a project — define the future state, build the roadmap, execute. Kavi Arasu, founder of Flyntrok and a two-decade veteran of leading change from inside large organizations, argues that's exactly where we go wrong. In the first half of this two-part conversation, we explore why busyness gets mistaken for progress, why senior leaders are often the biggest roadblock to the change they're championing, why success teaches us worse lessons than failure does, and what deep listening actually requires in a world of dashboards and notifications. 

 Key Quotes 

Success is a bad teacher, and you have to... I would always, always recommend that leaders sit with their successes 

Senior leaders have to consider themselves as part of the problem. It's not something that they do to the rest of the organization. 

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