In this episode I get to talk to my good friend Andrew caters isn't, is terrible. And I met him back in Colorado. He was he was doing this short film short TV series called the anomaly. And I got to do some behind the scenes videos. And he since then we just went different directions. He's in LA now and I'm in Virginia. But I still kept in connection with him. And I was like, hey, I want to bring him to the podcast because he's into the film industry. And I love moviemaking and filmmaking, photography, and being one of them.

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