What does it mean to have a relationship with a psychedelic substance and why does that framing matter more than any protocol, ceremony, or clinical trial?

In this conversation, Paige sits down with author, educator, and psilocybin advocate James W. Jesso to explore the philosophical, ethical, and psychological dimensions of working with psychedelics responsibly. This isn't about biohacking with microdoses or chasing ego-death status. It's about taking the intelligence of these substances seriously - and understanding what's at stake when you don't.

What we cover:

🩷 Why viewing psilocybin as a relationship changes everything about safety

🩷 The difference between internal and external safe containers and why most people skip the harder one

🩷 How psychedelics can surface deep trauma and how to avoid re-traumatization

🩷 Why your guide's personal experience matters more than their credentials

🩷 The heroic dosing trend and the real harm James sees it causing

🩷 How mainstream media is distorting psychedelic culture and expectations

⏱️ CHAPTERS

00:00 — Introduction

02:40 — Psychedelics as a Relationship

07:40 — Internal vs External Safety

10:30 — Trauma & Psychedelic-Assisted Healing

11:30 — Why Your Sitter's Experience Is Non-Negotiable

28:35 — The Heroic Dose Myth

🔗 James W. Jesso: https://www.youtube.com/@AdventuresThroughTheMind

James' Books: https://www.jameswjesso.com/category/books/

More Links: https://linktr.ee/jameswjesso

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