Danny and Derek welcome Matthew Specter, senior fellow at the Institute for European Studies at UC Berkley and lecturer of history at Santa Clara University, to talk about his pathbreaking book The Atlantic Realists. They discuss the origins of realism, thinkers at the fin de siècle, the national interest, Hans Morgenthau, the finer points of liberal internationism vs. realism, and more.

Grab a copy of The Atlantic Realists here: https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=28906

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