This week, you're going to hear a conversation which was originally recorded for Peter Watson's podcast, Behind The Journey.

We discuss all sorts, including how being on the BBC's Young Apprentice at 16 led me to make poor decisions in my early twenties, the reason I quit social media, caffeine and alcohol, and a lot more.

I know Peter well, and so this conversation just flows. The microphones could have been switched off. The software not recording. And it would have been the exact same conversation.

It’s one I really enjoyed.

And I think you’re going to enjoy it as well.

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