Danny and Derek welcome Gönül Tol, founding director of the Middle East Institute's Turkey program and author of Erdoğan's War: A Strongman's Struggle at Home and in Syria to discuss Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. They touch on his origins with AKP in the early aughts, his interactions with the military, his relationship with Syrian president Bashar Al-Assad, Erdoğan’s foreign policy, the effect of the Arab Spring on his tenure, how he’s approached “the Kurdish issue”, and more.

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