In this episode of Echoes and Edges, host Petria, founder of The Broken and Beautiful, is joined by her husband Jerry, along with longtime friends Julie and Steve McClay, for a candid roundtable on how personal awakening reshapes marriage and long-term relationships. The conversation centers on what happens after old roles loosen and familiar patterns stop working, but before new ways of relating feel solid. This in-between season—often quiet, disorienting, and emotionally unpracticed—is explored through the lens of the Enneagram, attachment, therapy, and lived relational experience.

 Together, the group reflects on how growth begins as an interior process before it becomes relational—and why relationships often feel the impact immediately. They discuss boundary confusion, emotional presence, grief, humor, repair, and the slow work of learning how to stay connected without fixing, managing, or retreating. Rather than offering quick solutions, this episode names the liminal space as a threshold—one that invites pause, honesty, and renegotiation of connection in marriage, parenting, and partnership.

In This Episode, You’ll Hear:

• What “Rise With Us” means beyond hustle, reinvention, or self-optimization
• How the Enneagram can expose, amplify, or support relational change
• Marriage after awakening: when old roles no longer fit
• Heart, body, and gut triad dynamics in long-term couples
• Why growth can feel lonely—even when relationships are deepening
• The shift from fixing and managing to naming discomfort and staying present
• Humor, grief, and repair as essential relational tools
• Parenting, shame spirals, and why healing yourself matters more than perfect parenting

Who This Episode Is For:

• Couples navigating change after therapy, trauma work, or spiritual shifts
• Anyone using the Enneagram to understand marriage and long-term partnership
• Parents realizing growth can’t be outsourced to better behavior or systems
• Listeners living in the “not who we were, not yet who we’re becoming” space

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Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
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Part Two continues the sacred conversation begun in Part One, turning toward voice, integrity, and life after spiritual harm has been named.

Listener note: This episode includes discussion of spiritual abuse and institutional betrayal. Content is non-graphic but may be activating. Please listen with care.

Host Patria Rector is again joined by Hannah May as they explore what comes after silence—after shame loosens its grip and self-trust begins to return. This episode centers the often costly work of reclaiming agency, setting boundaries, and choosing integrity when institutions cannot or will not change.

Together, they reflect on accountability without repair, the grief of leaving faith communities, and the slow disentangling of God from systems that caused harm. Rather than offering easy answers, this conversation invites discernment, honesty, and courage.

In this episode, we explore:

• Reclaiming voice and self-trust
  
• Accountability without apology
  
• The grief of leaving unsafe systems
  
• Faith after institutional betrayal
  
• Boundaries, discernment, and integrity
  

This episode continues the Echoes and Edges 2026 theme, Rise with Us: Voices that Heal, Stories that Lead, inviting listeners into a deeper conversation about healing, faith, and post-traumatic growth.

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Listener note: This episode includes discussion of grooming and spiritual abuse. Content is non-graphic but may be activating. Please listen with care.

In this episode of Echoes and Edges, Patria Rector is joined by Hannah May, founder of Sacred Story Space. Hannah shares a personal story of spiritual harm and institutional betrayal within the church. Raised in systems that blurred obedience with holiness, she reflects on how suppressed intuition, unexamined authority, and silence shaped her sense of safety, identity, and God.

Together, we explore ambiguous grief, nervous system impact, and the ways trauma lives on in relationships and self-trust. Through storywork, discernment, and reflection, this episode invites curiosity in place of compliance—and connection in place of isolation. In this episode, we explore:

• Spiritual harm and institutional betrayal
• Attachment, boundaries, and loss of self-trust
• Ambiguous grief and emotional regulation
• Reclaiming intuition and inner authority
• The role of storywork, community, and personal rhythms in healing

This is not a story told for spectacle.
It is a story held with care,

Part Two continues the conversation, focusing on repair, resilience, and post-traumatic growth.

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In this episode of Echoes and Edges, host Patria Rector and therapist Janet Friesen discuss the theme for 2026, 'Rise with Us: Voices that Heal, Stories that Lead.'

They explore the importance of rebuilding connection with ourselves and trusting our inner voice, which is often suppressed by societal expectations. The conversation delves into the meaning of peace, recognizing unhealthy patterns in relationships, and the role of friends in the healing process. They emphasize the significance of self-reflection, choosing well-being, and creating personal rhythms to foster emotional health.

The episode concludes with a reminder of the importance of community and curiosity in the journey of self-discovery and healing.

Janet Friesen Counseling

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In this mini episode, Patria and Ro explore the inner world of Enneagram Type Nines—the Peacemaker, Mediator, and Adaptive Presence—especially as the holidays amplify noise, tension, and unspoken expectations. They unpack how Nines instinctively move toward harmony through numbing, merging, or quietly disappearing, often in ways that go unnoticed by others.

Patria shares personal insight as a Nine, naming how being physically present while emotionally withdrawn can become a survival strategy in overwhelming environments. Together, they explore why holidays can intensify the pull to fade out, and how healing for Nines involves gently coming back online—reconnecting with the body, the voice, and the belief that their presence truly matters.

This conversation invites Nines to notice when self-erasure masquerades as peace, and to trust that engagement—not silence—is what actually creates harmony. A steady, compassionate companion for Type Nines navigating family systems, overstimulation, and the quiet work of reclaiming presence.

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In this mini episode, Patria and Ro explore the inner world of Enneagram Type Eights—the Challenger, Protector, and Leader—especially as their energy shows up during the emotionally charged holiday season. They unpack how Eights instinctively move toward intensity, take charge in chaos, and use strength as a way to protect what’s tender beneath the surface.

Together, they name how control and decisiveness often function as a defense against vulnerability, and why emotional closeness can trigger an unconscious “wall up” response. They offer insight into the Eight’s deep testing of trust, their fierce loyalty, and the often-misunderstood tenderness that lives beneath the armor.

This conversation invites Eights to notice when protection turns into distance, to become aware of the impact of their presence, and to explore how strength and vulnerability can coexist. A steady, affirming companion for Type Eights navigating family dynamics, heightened emotions, and the courage it takes to soften without losing power.

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In this episode, Patria and Ro explore Enneagram Type Seven—the Enthusiast who seeks joy, possibility, and freedom. We talk about how Sevens use optimism and activity to avoid pain, why the holidays can intensify distraction and overplanning, and what helps Sevens stay present with both joy and discomfort.

A thoughtful, encouraging conversation for Sevens and those who love them.

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In this mini episode, Patria and Ro explore how Enneagram Type Sixes experience the holidays—often scanning for what could go wrong, bracing for conflict, or carrying quiet anxiety beneath the surface. They unpack how vigilance and preparedness became protective strategies, and why this season can intensify fear, doubt, and emotional reactivity.

They also name the deeper longing beneath Type Six’s caution—the desire for safety, trust, and steady support—and offers grounding ways to calm the nervous system, reality-check anxious thoughts, and reconnect with inner and relational stability.

A steady, reassuring companion for Sixes and those who love them.

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In this mini episode, Patria and Ro explore how Enneagram Type Fives tend to move through the holidays—often managing overwhelm by pulling inward, conserving energy, or staying in their heads. They unpack how early strategies of withdrawal and self-sufficiency became a form of protection, and why this season can heighten feelings of depletion or disconnection.

They also name the deeper longing beneath the Five’s retreat—the desire to engage without being drained—and offers gentle ways to stay present, share space, and participate on your own terms.

A calm, thoughtful companion for Fives and those who care about them.

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In this mini episode, Patria and Ro explore how Enneagram Type Fours experience the holidays—often feeling a mix of longing, emotional intensity, and the sense of being “out of step” with everyone else. They unpack how early patterns of attuning to what’s missing became a form of protection, and why this season can amplify comparison, nostalgia, or the ache for deeper connection.

They also gently name the longing at the heart of the Four—the desire to be understood and truly seen—and offers ways to soften into the present moment, honor emotions without getting swept away, and make space for grounded joy.

A tender, insightful companion for Fours and the people who love them.

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