Among the Founding Fathers there are two giants. Even their peers recognized that B Franklin & G Washington were uncommon in their influence, wisdom and vision. Pepperdine's Ed Larson, has written a gem of a book called Franklin & Washington: The Founding Partnership.

Ed is joined by hosts, Pete A Turner and Eric Hoglund. Eric and Pete met for coffee & beignets at the Workshop in Benicia Eric suggested Pete read the book; nstead, Pete said, "Let's just get him on the show." They did and it was good.