EPISODE 24

In this wide-ranging conversation, Sandy and Keith explore the value of education — not just in formal settings, but in every corner of life. From Sandy’s adventures with snowboarding (and other “adult hobbies”) to Keith’s reflections on the eve of launching a new teacher training, they consider what it means to keep learning, experimenting, and staying curious.

They unpack the secret ingredient of patience, the role of compassion in teaching, and how different learning styles shape both students and teachers. Along the way, the guru mantra weaves through their discussion as a reminder that true education is less about gaining certificates and more about continued curiosity.

Whether you’re a teacher, a lifelong learner, or someone who’s ever wondered why we stop learning as adults, this episode is an invitation to rediscover the joy of education — and to celebrate the best parts of being both student and teacher.

Invocation from the Kaṭha + Taittirīya Upaniṣad

oṃ saha nāv-avatu

“May we both be protected in our togetherness. May we both be nourished in togetherness. May we both work in togetherness with great energy. May our study be vigorous, and our meetings be effective to strengthen our togetherness. May we not hate each other; destroying our togetherness.”

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