In this live episode recorded at Porsche SCOPES festival in Tel Aviv, Gigi talks to Eliran Dahan, an interdisciplinary artist who exhibited his installation at the festival. Gigi and Eliran discuss their shared sleep issues, why he will never call himself an artist, how being drafted into the Israeli army helped him deal with loss, and how simple repetitive tasks - like doing your boss’s taxes - can calm your nerves.

In the episode, we mention Tara Brach, an author and meditation teacher whose meditations have helped both Gigi and Eliran. You can find her on Instagram @tarabrach.

Produced by Michael Lane

Jingle by Rhys Tivey

Follow Gillian on Instagram and Twitter: @gilliansagansky

Follow Eliran on Instagram: @_elirandahan

A Type7 podcast https://type7.com/. A RecTag production.