Women need to know about the help that is available to them when facing a crisis pregnancy. One way to share these resources with them is by offering pro-life help outside your local abortion clinic through sidewalk counseling. Today, we are joined by Edna May, a wife, mom, and grandmother who devoted over ten years to sidewalk counseling in Grand Rapids and saw many lives saved.

Abortion causes a profound psychological impact on many men and women. Join Embryo Advocates for a discussion on how to support people in our communities who have been harmed by abortion with the Executive Director of Michigan's chapter of Deeper Still, who also serves with Justice for All — Kaitlyn Donahue.

Read our blog post summarizing some of Kaitlyn's recommendations for engaging with post-abortive people here: https://www.embryoadvocates.com/2026/01/support-post-abortive-parents.html

What would you do if a respected colleague asked you to participate in an act that could destroy a human life? Leta Gerber found herself in this situation when a renowned OBGYN asked for her help performing a saline infusion abortion in the hospital unit where she was employed. A day later, she saw the body of a fully-formed little boy in a bucket with a burned body in a hospital closet. It was then that she felt incredibly convicted that her participation in abortion was morally wrong and destroyed a precious baby. This occurred in the 1970s in Michigan before Roe v. Wade was passed — two psychiatrists had determined the mother was suicidal and should therefore abort, making a legal exception to destroy her preborn son. When Leta made her way to the bedside, she found a woman who was not actively suicidal or engaging in self-harm behaviors; instead, the woman appeared to be using abortion as a form of birth control — this was the woman's 3rd or 4th abortion.

In this episode, we talk about Leta's story of becoming pro-life, what she would say to other medical professionals who have helped perform abortions, the ethics of "mental health of the mother" exceptions in abortion laws that can justify the killing of babies in situations that may not have any physiological danger to the mother, and what gave Leta the boldness to share her story in her conservative community.