Chatting about empathy and reflecting on Alain de Botton and Ayishat Akanbi's Unscripted Talk. Found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZU7mumpY4U

Sex Power Money (book)  - Sara Pascoe

Counselling for Toads - Robert de Board

FYI we recorded each podcast about 6 weeks prior to the release date so chats on COVID are verrryyy out of date.

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Music is by Philippa Zawe, Hannah Pawson and Gabriel Wynne.