Thank you so much for listening over these weeks! Peace and love and strength to you all xxx

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This week we chat to Hannah's sister Milly about Europe's treatment of refugees and how this intersects with racist policies.

Just a note (because we missed an important edit) - at one point, Milly mentions that white people would not receive the same violent treatment from police as people of colour do in the States, on Europe's borders and in other places. To clarify, we are aware that of course white people can and do experience this kind of treatment, for example white BLM protesters in the States - however, this kind of violence does not occur on anywhere near the scale at which people of colour experience police brutality across many countries; her point was drawing awareness to the general trends, rather than the outliers.

Resources: 

Our petition to keep family reunion here 

Refugee council report here

Aegean Boat Report here

UN Poverty Report here 

The Good Immigrant book

Follow the Congo Tree here

Watch the film 'Lion' – it’s great

Safe Passage charity here

Hostile environment Policy here

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Twitter @melissa_pawson 

Website: www.melissapawson.com 

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Music is by Philippa Zawe, Hannah Pawson and Gabriel Wynne.

This episode was recorded in the week after George Floyd’s death, and the week that J.K Rowling published her letter. We had a lot to debrief on.

We go on a #thoughttrain to chat about careering, trans rights, periods and sex.

Books -

Invisible Women: Exploring Data Bias in a World Made For Men, Caroline Criado Perez

Animal, Sara Pascoe

Pill and Depression https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/03/pill-linked-depression-doctors-hormonal-contraceptives https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2552796

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Music is by Philippa Zawe, Hannah Pawson and Gabriel Wynne.

We recorded this episode on the week that George Floyd was murdered. It's interesting to look back on this week and how the shock of the event is reflected back in the rawness of our feelings and discussions.

Resources: 

Compensation for former slave owners: link to Independent article here and Guardian article here 

Books:

1. Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race 

2. Brit(ish) 

3. We Need To Talk About Race

4. The Good Immigrant 

5. Black and British, A Forgotten History (the BBC series on this is also really great)

Podcasts:

1. About Race with Reni Eddo Lodge

2. Have you Heard George's Podcast?

3. Reality Daily - episode 55 (for Christian listeners)

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Music is by Philippa Zawe, Hannah Pawson and Gabriel Wynne.

Chatting about empathy and reflecting on Alain de Botton and Ayishat Akanbi's Unscripted Talk. Found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZU7mumpY4U

Sex Power Money (book)  - Sara Pascoe

Counselling for Toads - Robert de Board

FYI we recorded each podcast about 6 weeks prior to the release date so chats on COVID are verrryyy out of date.

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In this episode we talk about religion. It was really interesting to have these chats between an atheist and a Christian, with similar experiences of religion but very different viewpoints. Let us know your thoughts!

Decolonising the bible: https://www.facebook.com/FreedomRoad.us/videos/599180010808094

FYI we recorded each podcast about 6 weeks prior to the release date so chats on COVID are verrryyy out of date.

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Tune in for music chats, emOtions and an unexpected update about golf (how did we even get there?)

FYI we recorded each podcast about 6 weeks prior to the release date so chats on COVID are verrryyy out of date. 

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