Empower Apps

Guest

•  Jeff Gamet - Text Expander Evangelist 
  • TextExpander - @textexpander
  • Twitter @jgamet
  • Instagram @jgamet

Related Episodes

• Episode 26 - App Search Optimization with Ariel Mitcheli

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Importance of Reaching the Press

• Clear messaging prevents uncertainty and ambiguity
• Pay attention and communicate with users
• Get insight from the users by scheduling calls
• Cater your messaging to your audience
• Using PR Services (ex. PRLog) are helpful but personal relationships are important

Going to the Right Audience

• Based on the target device (Android vs iOS) and industry, pitch to right journalists
• Talk to developers who have done apps in that space
• Make sure the press release service aligns with your app

The Email - Important Components 

• What is it - Software, Hardware, etc...
• What does it do - Email Client, Music Player, iPhone Case, etc...
• Who is it for - for the iPhone, for the Apple Watch, for Windows PCs, etc...
• Why should I care/What makes it special/What need does it fill
  • Email Client - AI based Spam Filter for Administrative Assistant

The Email - Subject Line Mistakes 

• Ambiguous or Unclear Subject Line
• Being Too Clever
• Pretending Like You're Looping Back
• Timing is Important
• Keeping It Fresh
• When to Actually Follow-Up

How to build a Media Kit

• High Resolution Screenshots - PNG or JPEG
• Logos - SVG and PNG or JPEG
• Product Information - PDF - not Microsoft Word
• Reviewers Guide
  • Walkthrough Documentation
  • FAQ - Addresses questions the media will have
  • Required Files or Info - Example Files, Logins, etc...
• Contact Info - email address, social media, home page
• Videos optional - Youtube Link (for in-use) or GIF (for screenshots) 

How Can Companies Integrate the Messaging Early On

• Think About the Messaging Early In the Development Process
• Think About How It's Presented As It's Developed
• Mom Test - Rope In Friends and Family
• Look at Other PR Pages such as TextExpander's
• Live Stream or Schedule Live Presentations Usage of the App
• Using the Press for Recruiting Beta Testing

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Guest

•  Ariel Michaeli  - Twitter @arielmichaeli
  • AppFigures - Twitter @appfigures
  • 360idev 2019 - App Store Optimization for the Rest of Us
  • AppFigures Guides
    • AppFigures App Store Optimization Checklist
    • How to Optimize Your Keywords List in App Store Connect
    • Optimizing Your App’s Name to Get More Downloads
    • How to Choose the Right Keywords for App Store Optimization

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App Store Optimization Basics

• The Importance of Marketing
• Why not depend on Today, Category, or Featured by Apple
• How it helps established business as well as startups
• 60% of downloads are directly from the App Store
• You only have 20 seconds to capture your audience
• AppFigures App Store Optimization Checklist

Key Differences between SEO and ASO

• Backwards Engineering the Play Store/App Store vs. Google
• ASO is restricted by the fields and parameters Apple or Google Play Store provides
• People Search for Solutions on Google vs People Search for Apps on the App Store

What are the Components For Successful ASO?

• Research for Correct Keywords 
• Apply Keywords based on Solutions the App Provides
  • Breakdown Keywords
  • Use the Correct Title and Subtitle Correctly
  • Title and Subtitle in the Apple App Store Are Rendered As One Sentence
  • How to Optimize Your Keywords List in App Store Connect
  • Optimizing Your App’s Name to Get More Downloads
  • How to Choose the Right Keywords for App Store Optimization
• Make Visuals Compelling Which Encourage Downloads
  • Videos Are Very Helpful
  • Give Your Screenshots Context and Use the Design of the App Page
    • User Jump
• Monitoring Keywords and Algorithm Changes
• Experiment with Emulated App Store Pages and A/B Testing

What are Common Mistakes For Successful ASO?

• Don't Optimize for Competitor Name
• Don't Leave Your App Page Alone But Constantly Monitor
• Don't Optimize for Only Your Competitor 

Apple Watch App Store and Heartwitch App Feedback

• Understand Your Audience
• Use Branding with Browser Window
• Selling on the Apple Watch Store Makes the App Unique
• Ask Apple to Feature
• Reach Out To The Community

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Guest

•  John Knox  - Twitter @windaddict - LinkedIn
  • Hiring An App Developer - Twitter @hireanappdev

Previous Episodes

Episode 12 - iOS Developer Interviews with Alex Bush

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Business of Software Highlights

• Matt Wensing on Forecasting
• One Second Everyday 

iOS Hiring Challenges

• Lack of Experience and Understand of iOS Development
• Cargo Cult Interview Style (and Burying Dead Bodies😱?)
• Lack of Training Resources for Employees
• Not Oppurtunities for Growth 
• Lack of Organization Skills in HR/Recruiting

Getting Hired

• Dealing with HR Automation
• Finding the Right Person at the Company?
• LinkedIn vs Twitter

What Companies Should Look For?

• How John Does Coding Challenges
• Finding Coding Style
• Have Little to No Complex Dependencies
• Seeing Actual Experience 

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Guest

•  Kyle Newsome - (Twitter @kylnew)
  • Continuous Integration - What, Why & How feat. Bitrise - SwiftTO

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New iPhone 11 Thoughts

• Camera Improvements
• Max vs Not-Max Size
• DSL vs iPhone
• Night Mode

Continuous Integration Issues with iOS

• Deployment Issues
• Cache Issues
• Continuous Integration 101

How to Get Started

• Removing Dependencies on People and Files
• Reproducible Anywhere
• Using Pull Requests or Code Reviews As Triggers
• Having Tests to Address Pain Points
• Dealing with Certificates and Provisioning Profiles
• HashiCorp
• Using Tools Like Fastlane

Comparing Services

• Cloud Services
  • Bitrise - Focused on Mobile Development (Android and iOS)
  • Travis-CI - Free Open Source (includes macOS)
  • Circle-CI - Free Open Source (includes macOS)
• Self-Hosting
  • Jenkins
  • Xcode Server
  • Running Your Own Mac Virtual Machine
• Hybrid Solutions
  • MacStadium
• Differences between macOS and iOS building Speculid
  • Tutorial Setting Up Speculid and macOS on Travis-CI

Feedback Loops and CI

• Having Healthy Unit Tests 
• Rapid Results through Automation
• Proofing Builds Before QA

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Transcription

Leo Dion (Host): Hey, Kyle, how are you doing? 

[00:00:01] Kyle Newsome (Guest): I'm doing great. Thanks very much. It's unfortunately a slightly rainy day in Toronto here, but otherwise, a good mood. 

[00:00:07] Leo Dion (Host): Yeah, same here. It's been a weird, cause. I don't know what Ontario's like, but Michigan. It's like one day was 80 degrees and then the next day dropped down to like 50 or 60 

[00:00:18] Oh, sorry. That's Fahrenheit. But you get what I mean. 

[00:00:20] Kyle Newsome (Guest): It's okay. I lived a little bit in the States, so I like can do the conversion. I know that like 70 is nice and comfortable. Eighties getting to hot sixties like not too bad. 

[00:00:30] Leo Dion (Host): I think fall's finally here. Yeah, so another sign of fall is the new iPhones. Did you get anyone iPhone?

[00:00:38] Kyle Newsome (Guest): I got the new iPhone 11 pro max. Which I've been waiting to upgrade for a few years. So this is like my first experience with like the X, you know, edge to edge screen as well. 

[00:00:49] Leo Dion (Host): What do you think of it? 

[00:00:51] Kyle Newsome (Guest): Honestly, so far I'm pretty impressed with it and as much as people have complained about how the three lenses look, I actually think it looks pretty nice.

[00:00:58] They've done something good with the glass backing, so it looks pretty refined, so I can't really complain about that. I've played around with the camera and the night photography a little bit and it's pretty cool to see how much it can capture in low light. 

[00:01:11] Leo Dion (Host): What did you have previously? 

[00:01:13] Kyle Newsome (Guest): Previously I had the iPhone seven plus. 

[00:01:17] Leo Dion (Host): Okay. And do you really like the max size? 

[00:01:19] Kyle Newsome (Guest): You know, like I'm used to it in my hand now, so I can't complain. You know, for the longest time I didn't think that I would like it, but I believe when the seven plus was the only one that had the two cameras, and I was really interested in that functionality.

[00:01:32] So I upgraded to the largest one, and now I'm kind of used to it. But I think that both the regular size and the max size are both pretty good in terms of screen size you got. I'm just sort of used to this in my hand and I liked that when they at least made the change from the old ones to the new ones, they kept the size of the same and then just you got more screen space so it feels exactly the same as my old phone in my hand.

[00:01:56] Leo Dion (Host): Yeah, I was a plus size user and I loved that. And then I went to the 10s, not max. And I don't feel like I miss the size because the screen size is pretty much the same. But I was just curious, like if you see like a big advantage with the max. 

[00:02:12] Kyle Newsome (Guest): No, I don't really think so. I guess it gets a little bit longer battery life, which is always nice, but otherwise, yeah, they both look pretty nice.

[00:02:20] I was sort of on the fence whether to go with one or the other, but I think ultimately it was kind of like hand feel that I just like, I was used to the weight and everything, so I just wanted to make a seamless transition like that. 

[00:02:30] And the big selling point for me with the plus was the extra lens. And like now we don't have that.

[00:02:35] Leo Dion (Host): Like the extra selling point isn't there because he can pretty much get that with the regular pro. So like that was my big thing was I just want a really good camera. Like I don't have cameras anymore. Like I think I sold my DSLR and my other digital cameras a couple of years ago cause I wasn't really using them.

[00:02:54] And like the convenience of having an iPhone was always worthwhile to me. And like the dual came...

Guest

•  Abbey Jackson - (Twitter @earthabbey)
  • Modularize All the Things - Abbey Jackson

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Themes from Conferences

• The Importance with Meeting New People
• Learning Old Features
• Trying to Deep Dive into SwiftUI and its Future
• The Benefits of SwiftUI for Designers
• Comparing HTML and SwiftUI

Breaking Down How Xcode Works

• How Different Components in Xcode Can Help Organize Your Code
• How an Xcode Project Works
• How Files result in Targets
• Differences between Targets and Build Configuration
• Dealing with Target Dependencies
• Testing with Targets and Xcode
• How Workspaces Differ from Projects

Modularizing Components

• What are the best ways to organize your product?
• Modularizing Your Persistence Layer
• Importance of TDD and Protocol Oriented Programming
• Other examples of modularizing: Network, Feature-cased, Authentication, User Profile, Location
• Following Apple's SDK Framework Example

Dealing with Source Control

• Using Git Submodules
• Dependency Management Tools (i.e. SPM, Cocoapods, Carthage)
• Using SDK Targets
• Swift Package Manager

The Benefits of Modularizing

• Decrease Build Times
• Share Code and Functionality
• Optimize Your Build Pipelines

Post-September Purchasing Choices

• Apple Watch Series 5
• iTunes vs App Store Gift Cards
• iMac Backpack

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Full Video

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Apple Arcade and Apple TV+

• Can there be a subscription service for apps similar to Arcade for games?
• Was the pricing reasonable for most 

iPad (7th Generation)

• Is the iPad ready to be a laptop replacement?
• Is the app ecosystem ready for professional apps on the iPad?

Apple Watch Series 6

• What the continuing trend of the Apple Watch battery improvement?
• Is the Apple Watch the device of the future?

iPhone 11

• A continuing trend of maturity in the smartphone market?
• Is the iPhone a phone or a camera?

iOS 13

• Thoughts on if Apple bit off too much on the OS upgrades to deliver everything on time? - @tonydehnke

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Guest

•  Manton Reece
  • Micro.blog
  • @manton - Micro.blog
  • Core Int - Podcast with Daniel

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Micro.blog

• Self-Hosted and Indie Web Focus
• Dealing with Twitter Issues
  • Developer-Friendly
  • Privacy
  • Community Issues

Marketing to an Audience

• Reach Out and Let People Know
• Starting a Mailing List and Blog to Reach Out
• Slow Growth Allows For Intermittent Improves Based On Audience Feedback
• Maintaining Engagement
• Using Automation with Mailchimp and other Mailing Lists
• Using Kickstarter for Funding a New Project
• Finding the right niche or niches
• Providing value outside of comparing yourself

Developing for Multiple Apple Platform

• Hosting through Linode using Sinatra + Ruby
• How Micro.blog works behind the scenes
• Having a Public API and Dealing with Third-Party APIs
• Adopting standards
• Dealing with Multiple Different UIs
• Building Frameworks for other Developers
• Differences between developing for the Mac vs. iPhone
• Catalyst vs SwiftUI on the Mac
• Constantly Releasing Updates

Apple September Event

• What the new iPhone might mean for developers?
• Maturity of the iPhone
• Emphasis on Photography with third lens
• Independence of the Watch App

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Guest

•  Daniel Jalkut
  • Red Sweater - Software Company
  • Daniel's Blog - https://bitsplitting.org
  • Core Int - Podcast with Manton
  • (@danielpunkass) | Twitter

Previous Episodes

• Empower Apps | WWDC 2019 - Apple Watch with Gary Sabo | Episode 18
• Empower Apps | WWDC 2019 - Swift UI with Jason Anderson | Episode 19
• Core Int | Episode 378: Hi, I make Macintosh Software
• Core Int | Episode 377: Just A Tiny Company
• Core Int | Episode 376: I Had A Vegan Quesadilla
• Talk Show with John Gruber - Episode 257 - A Real Sandwich

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WWDC 2019

• SwiftUI is the Future but is it Ready?
• SwiftUI and Pragmatic Adoption and Migration

How has Apple changed over the years?

• Apple conservative approach towards change
• Not Releasing First

What happened to Marzipan?

• Project Catalyst vs. SwiftUI
• Using SwiftUI with AppKit
• Artisanal vs Cross-Platform
• Why would a company develop using Catalyst?
  • When a rewrite isn’t: rebuilding Slack on the desktop 
  • Is Slack in the business of writing exemplary apps?
• Pragmatism vs Art in Product Development
  • How does Apple develop products?
  • Leading by Design
• Would you use SwiftUI in a Brand New App?

Future of macOS

• Locking Down of macOS
  • Talk Show with John Gruber - Episode 257 - A Real Sandwich
• Mac App Store vs. Distributing Yourself
• How does Notarization work?
• How does Gatekeeper work?
  • Daniel's Article - A Real Gatekeeper
• Apple - Making macOS more secure or more annoying
• Is Sandboxing and the 30% cut worth it for the Mac App Store?
• Speculid - Easily Manage Graphics in Xcode Projects
• FastScripts - Powerful script management utility
• Non-Consensual Software

Running an App Business

• Limits of the App Store as a Business
• How to be a successful business and build great apps?
• Build Your Saas - Hosting Costs 
• Stratechery - The First Post-iPhone Keynote
• Find Where the Market Is

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Guest

•  Jason Anderson 
  • (@_jasonranderson) | Twitter
  • jasonranderson GitHub

Previous Episodes

• Empower Apps | WWDC 2019 - Apple Watch with Gary Sabo | Episode 18

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Functional Reactive Programming

• ReactiveCocoa · GitHub
• Combine | Apple Developer Documentation
• Model–view–viewmodel - Wikipedia
• First-class function - Wikipedia

Understanding Declarative Programming

• Better for Multiple Devices
• Improved Team Collaboration
• Xcode LivePreview
• Keep View Model and Data Model Separate
• Faster Iterative Development Long-Term

Drawbacks of using Swift UI

• Limited to latest OS (iOS, macOS, watchOS, tvOS)
• Lack of Documentation and Support
• Collection Views (i.e. Grids)
• Good Support of Communication Between of UIKit and SwiftUI
• Not Best for New Recent Releases
• Do Need To Use It Now
• Leo’s Swift UI Stream

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Guest

• Gary Sabo
  • ‎MyndArc, LLC Apps on the App Store
  • HealthKit Slack

Previous Episodes

• Unit Testing Episode
• Apple Watch Series 4

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Thoughts on WWDC

• SwiftUI and the slow demise of Storyboards
  • Gruber’s rumor about Declarite Programming
  • Swift and the slow demise of Objective-C
• Github Repo on Talks
  • Exploring New Data Representations in HealthKit - WWDC 2019 - Videos - Apple Developer
  • SwiftUI on watchOS - WWDC 2019 - Videos - Apple Developer
  • Creating Independent Watch Apps - WWDC 2019 - Videos - Apple Developer
  • Great Developer Habits - WWDC 2019 - Videos - Apple Developer
• Github Repo on SwiftUI
• You’ve been sherlocked - Operating systems
  • ‎HockeyTracker on the App Store
  • Gear Towards Your Specific Audience
  • Specific Activities with specific metrics

Independent Apple Watch Apps

• Why does Apple Watch apps need iPhone app counterparts?
• iPhone Counterparts of Apple Watch workout apps are for visualization
• Slow Deprecation of WatchConnectivity
• How do you syncing certain data between Apple Watch and iPhone?
  • HealthKit ,StoreKit, etc…
• What’s the position of the iPhone in the future with AR and the Apple Watch?
• SwiftUI on the Apple Watch
• The new Apple Watch App Store

Where’s the Focus of the Apple Watch

• Health and Fitness - Niche Fitness
• Advanced Notifications
• Location Tracking - GPS and Indoor Positioning System (Indoor GPS)
• Accessibility and Haptic Feedback
• More Sensors in the Future?

Maturity of HealthKit

• Lacking Inability to Edit
• Apple Partnering with Health Companies
• Allowing HealthKit on iPad and macOS?

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Complete Transcription

Leo Dion (Host): Hey Gary, how's it going? 

[00:00:01] Gary Sabo (Guest): Doing well, Leo, how are you doing? 

[00:00:02] Leo Dion (Host): Good. Good. So what were your thoughts from WWDC? 

[00:00:07] Gary Sabo (Guest): Boy, so much. I think like a lot of people, just my immediate reaction was this with UI. I didn't hear rumors. I mean, I heard maybe I heard something about, you know, declarative framework, but I didn't expect that.

[00:00:18] And sort of the, what seems to be the eventual abandonment of the storyboard. So yeah, that was the biggest shock to me. 

[00:00:26] Leo Dion (Host): We had some rumors about like declarative programming. I think Gruber had talked about that, but people were just kind of like, not making it as big of a deal about it because I think everybody was like marzipan, marzipan, marzipan.

[00:00:38] Right. And then it's like the project catalyst is kind of an afterthought. It's like, Holy crap, they're replacing the entire UI. Framework UI kit. I think it's still vibrant. I don't think it's dead by any means, because they've made some major improvements. It looks like to the way table views and even more so collection views are done, but you can kind of see the writings on the 

[00:01:01] Gary Sabo (Guest): wall.

[00:01:02] Leo Dion (Host): Yeah, it's like Swift. It's like Swift four years or a . It's like, yeah, I mean objective is going to be here for awhile. It's going to be forever, quite frankly. But like that's called Swift UI. It's not called objective-C UI for specific reason. 

[00:01:18] Gary Sabo (Guest): Right. And obviously companies have existing code bases, and if you were just starting out today, I still don't think I'd dive into Swift UI yet.

[00:01:27] You know, companies are going to need to support their existing projects for years, 

[00:01:31] Leo Dion (Host): and somebody who's been playing around with it for two weeks. Yeah. Don't. I don't suggest jumping into it right now. 

[00:01:38] Gary Sabo (Guest): Yeah. And it's still in beta, so keep that in mind as well. 

[00:01:42] Leo Dion (Host): Very much so. Yeah. It was a big year. It's probably the biggest WWDC since Swift was introduced.

[00:01:49] We can safely say. 

[00:01:50] Gary Sabo (Guest): I haven't gotten through all the talks. There's a github repo that I found or came across that kind of lists bullet points of the talks just so you don't have to invest the full 40 minutes. You can kind of just see if it's what you're interested in. So I've been going through that and just, I've been starting with obviously the ones that are most near and dear to me, like the WatchKit the Healthkit.

[00:02:11] But yeah, it seems like there's a lot to unpack. The combine is another thing there. Their foundation API. I didn't have a cha...