On this week’s episode we’re shaking things up a bit—our friend Justin is interviewing us! It’s important to us that you know the people behind the voices you’re listening to every week—that you know where we’re coming from and what experiences have shaped us into who we are now. And that’s exactly what this interview is—a snapshot of our lives, our souls, our perspectives in this current moment in time. In this conversation we talk about the adventure we’ve been on together since we met seven years ago. We discuss the painful parts of our stories and the healing that’s possible on the other side of pain. We take a deep dive into exploring what empowerment actually means to us, our orientation to the universe, and how the next step reveals itself when you’re intentionally committed to growth. We’re pumped for you to get to know us a little better and hope you might find yourself in our stories, too.

Jill Moran is an Enneagram Guide, coach, and dear friend with an old soul. For those of you who haven’t already taken the Enneagram deep dive—basically, it’s a self-discovery tool that helps clarify and illuminate your core motivations that drive your thoughts, actions, and feelings. As you’ll soon discover, Jill has an incredible gift of holding thoughtful space for others as well as for herself. Throughout this conversation we explore choosing curiosity over judgment, what it means to connect with your inner child, and the power in being honest about our wounds so we can heal them. Jill has such a compassionate perspective on growing in social awareness—one of our favorite topics—so we’re thrilled to share this conversation with you.

Katherine Gehl is a systems-thinker who’s passionate about progress. As a political innovator and co-author of The Politics Industry: How Political Innovation Can Break Partisan Gridlock and Save Our Democracy, she’s deeply concerned with the state of democracy here in the United States. Throughout this conversation we explore how to build your capacity for taking risks, the true nature of freedom, and applying intentional constraints in order to free up your willpower for the long game.

We learn so much from Katherine—her voice is especially timely as we’re deep in the midst of election season. We can’t wait for you to experience her brilliant mind for yourself.

Lisa Wardell self-describes as a lifelong learner who is dedicated to constantly challenging her lens. As the only Black female CEO in the S&P 400 and the Fortune 1000 in 2017, Lisa believes that diversity is imperative to ensuring that a business stays competitive and healthy over time. Throughout this conversation we explore how to make dialogue about race sustainable in the workplace and what it means to belong in the room. Lisa’s hopeful perspective is a grounding and inspiring force during these heartbreaking and yet heart-expanding times—we learn so much from Lisa and feel so honored to share this conversation with you.

Get ready for October 6.