In this special reprise of the Jim Wallis Podcast, we revisit a vital conversation with Heather McGhee, author of The Sum of Us. As we navigate the turbulence of the second Trump administration—marked by escalating racial divisions, attacks on truth, and deepening inequality—Heather’s insights are more urgent than ever.

This episode cuts to the heart of systemic racism’s cost—not just to people of color, but to all of us. Heather reveals how racial animus drains our collective resources and weakens our democracy, using powerful examples like the draining of public pools after desegregation—a metaphor for how fear and division erode the public good.

With the nation facing unprecedented challenges to justice, truth, and faith, Heather’s call for healing, narrative change, and courageous policy action reminds us that our shared future depends on confronting these root issues—especially now.

Replaying this conversation during a time of intense social and political upheaval is essential. It challenges us to move beyond zero-sum thinking toward a vision of America where we are truly better together.

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