Dr. Victoria Hurth joins Jennifer and Kati for our season finale to explore how purpose-driven governance can transform business decision-making for sustainability.

As co-designer of Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership's course on sustainable marketing and a leader in the development of ISO 37011, Victoria explains why our current economic systems systematically undermine the well-being they claim to create.

Victoria also shares the three-horizon framework for understanding organizational transformation — from short-term self-interest to long-term self-interest to purpose-driven organizations optimizing for "long-term well-being for all" — and closes out our season by highlighting the abundance of positive human energy just waiting to be directed.

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Humankind: A Hopeful History by Rutger Bregman

Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us by Jon Alexander

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Daphany Rose Sanchez shares her powerful journey from growing up in New York City public housing to founding Kinetic Communities Consulting, a social enterprise transforming energy equity for underserved communities.

Daphany explains why effective climate solutions must meet people where they are, addressing immediate concerns like utility bills rather than abstract climate concepts alone. She demonstrates how building genuine trust with communities leads to more effective sustainability outcomes, while offering a refreshingly human-centered approach to clean energy initiatives that challenge the tech-focused status quo.

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Learn more about Daphany Rose Sanchez.

Explore Kinetic Communities Consulting.

Check out Power Up NYC, New York City's first long-term energy plan.

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This week, Jennifer and Kati sit down with Al Iannuzzi, Vice President of Sustainability at The Estée Lauder Companies, for a candid conversation about sustainable product evolution in today's challenging business landscape. 

Al shares his provocative perspective that "There's no such thing as a green product" and offers practical guidance on communicating sustainability improvements without greenwashing.  

Drawing from his book, "Greener Products," he also discusses how companies can balance economic pressures with growing stakeholder demands for sustainability. 

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Greener Products: The Making and Marketing of Sustainable Brands 

The Value of Values: How Leaders Can Grow Their Businesses and Enhance Their Careers by Doing the Right Thing 

Read Suzanne Shelton at ERM Shelton

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This week, Kati and Jennifer are joined by Paull Young, GitHub's first head of sustainability, for a wide-ranging discussion about leveraging technology to accelerate climate action.  

From green software to the role of artificial intelligence in climate solutions, our conversation explores how developers and technologists can contribute to sustainability goals, the realities of AI's energy footprint, and why giving people tangible ways to take action may be the best antidote to climate despair.  

Drawing from his experiences across multiple tech platforms, Paull offers his thoughtful perspective on why he remains optimistic about technology's potential to accelerate positive environmental change. 

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Professor Robert Barlow from Hult International Business School joins Jennifer + Kati to explore how business schools can effectively teach sustainability and ESG in an evolving political landscape. From building Hult's highly-ranked sustainability curriculum to his current research on Chief Sustainability Officers, Rob discusses why business education needs to develop new frameworks for measuring impact, why sustainability roles can't simply be distributed across organizations, and how today's MBA students are approaching these topics differently than previous generations. 

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Cormac McCarthy: Blood Meridian: Or the Evening Redness in the West 

The Brothers Karamazov 

Return on Sustainability Investment research at NYU 

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In this episode, Jennifer + Kati are joined by Jarami Bond, founder of Bond Studio and Green Biz 30 Under 30 alum, who shares his unique approach to impact storytelling through film. From his experience at Interface and GreenBiz to founding a mission-driven production company, Jarami explores how to tell authentic stories that honor communities while advancing environmental and social impact. He discusses navigating the current political climate, the importance of pre-production in storytelling, and why taking time to build trust leads to more meaningful outcomes. 

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The Night Agent 

Washington Commanders  

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In a fascinating conversation about sustainability communications in turbulent times, Louise Wilson, SVP of Partnerships at Futerra, joins Jennifer and Kati to share insights from her decade of helping global brands drive environmental and social impact. From navigating shifting political landscapes to the power of consumer activism in 2025, Louise explores how companies can effectively communicate their ESG efforts by focusing on progress over perfection, breaking down silos between teams, and making sustainability messaging accessible to all. 

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Learn more about Futerra at wearefuterra.com. 

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Bad Sisters 

Sex Education 

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What happens when sustainability communications meets pushback? This week, Kati and Jennifer are joined by Mike Hower, founder of Hower Impact and host of The Sustainability Communicator podcast, for a candid discussion about the state of ESG and sustainability communications in 2025.

From the evolution of corporate sustainability messaging to navigating today's fragmented media landscape, Mike shares insights on why sustainability professionals need to think beyond their echo chambers and how to build narratives that resonate in challenging times. The conversation explores historical parallels with other social movements, the importance of picking strategic battles, and why reading beyond sustainability literature might make us better communicators.

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What does it take to land (or hire for) a sustainability role in 2025? This week, Kati and Jennifer are joined by Richard Kent, Head of Research for North America; and Catherine Harris, Executive Director, Sustainable Business, Americas, at Acre, a leading sustainability recruiter for more than two decades.

From "kitchen sink" job descriptions to the value of sustainability courses, our guests share candid insights about what companies are really looking for, how sustainability roles are maturing, and why change management may be the most critical skill for senior sustainability leaders.

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Sustainability expert Lyrica McTiernan joins Jennifer and Kati to explore how companies are navigating the evolving world of corporate climate commitments. From the shifting terminology of ESG to the emergence of climate transition plans, they discuss what's working, what's broken, and why 2025 could be a pivotal year for corporate environmental action.

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Learn more about Lyrica McTiernan at lyricaconsults.com.

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