It seems like everybody is singing the praises of mindfulness meditation these days – it’s used as a way to decrease stress, increase focus, manage chronic pain or anxiety. “Breathe. Be in the moment” is the mantra. But, what if the moment you’re in is terrible?

In their weekly conversation, psychologist Dan Gottlieb tells WHYY’s Maiken Scott about such a moment – but he still thinks mindfulness could have helped him.