Enneagram Adventure

Enneagram’s Viral Moment: What Beatrice Chestnut Says Most People Get Wrong (and How to Actually Do the Work)

On the Enneagram Adventure podcast, hosts Holly and Tannah interview Enneagram author and teacher Beatrice Chestnut about using the Enneagram for real growth rather than stereotypes. Chestnut shares how she learned the Enneagram in 1990 through psychiatrist David Daniels and Helen Palmer’s early work, identified as a Type 2, and later became a psychotherapist and Enneagram educator. The conversation covers the upside and downside of the Enneagram’s popularity on social media, how it can become superficial or used as an excuse, and how deeper work involves facing discomfort, shadow patterns, and growth under stress. Chestnut explains “false self” vs “true self,” why your type doesn’t change, offers a primer on all nine types, and discusses the re-release of The Complete Enneagram alongside her upcoming book The Enneagram of Connection.

00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro

02:00 Beatrice Enneagram Journey

06:03 Enneagram Goes Viral

08:53 From Labels to Growth

11:42 False Self to True Self

15:10 I Dont Want a Box

15:55 Tests and Mistypes

18:13 TikTok Tips and Traps

19:58 Nine Types Primer

30:26 What Doing the Work Means

37:35 Can Your Type Change

40:32 Book Rerelease and New Book

44:06 Where to Find Beatrice

45:22 Final Wrap and Thanks

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On the Enneagram Adventure podcast, Holly and Tannah open with reflections on September weather in the Midwest and briefly mention 9/11’s clear skies before introducing a core Enneagram construct: center of expression and center of intelligence. They explain that the Enneagram focuses on core motivations (deeper than behavior-based tools like DiSC or Myers-Briggs) and note they are IEQ9-certified coaches whose assessment measures these centers. Holly outlines typical center-of-expression groupings—8/9/1 action, 2/3/4 feeling, 5/6/7 thinking—emphasizing that expression language (action, feeling, thinking) doesn’t indicate confidence, and that individuals can be atypical, which can lead to mistyping. They then discuss center-of-intelligence “stacks” (how people process decisions: head/heart/gut), share personal examples (Holly as a 5 and Tannah as a 2), describe how action-first types operate, explore suppression and overuse of centers, touch on body-driven nervous system cues, and end with community and guest invitations for an upcoming series covering all nine types.

00:00 Friday Small Talk

00:12 September 11 Weather

01:15 Soup Season Birthdays

02:31 Astrology Enneagram Aside

03:23 Welcome And Disclaimer

04:45 Why Centers Matter

07:32 Center Of Expression Basics

08:34 Thinking Feeling Action Language

10:21 Nuance And Misreads

13:12 Center Of Intelligence Stacks

13:40 Holly Stack Example

15:35 Tannah Stack Example

19:54 High Action Explained

21:58 Body Feelings And Anxiety

26:57 Trust Discomfort And Identity

29:56 Suppressed Centers Balance

32:34 Childhood Overrides Intuition

35:01 Parenting Story Boundaries

39:06 Mistyping Through Expression

41:00 Wrap Up And Guest Call

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Hosts Holly and Tannah welcome guests Aaron (Holly’s husband) and Tara (Tannah’s sister), both Enneagram Nines, for a deep dive into Nine motivations—especially conflict avoidance, peacekeeping, and outsourcing decisions. They revisit Aaron’s past confusion between being a Nine versus a Two, emphasizing that the Enneagram measures core motivation rather than behavior, and discuss how childhood dynamics shaped their “go with the flow” patterns, including conflict not being modeled for Aaron and Tara’s experiences of being corrected or wanting to fit in. The group explores Nine stress moving to Six through worst-case-scenario thinking and lingering regret after decisions (like choosing restaurants or missing a recital ticket). They discuss the “soul child” concept (Nine’s growth line to Three) and how recognizing Nine tendencies can support growth through owning wants, needs, and making decisions for healthier relationships, ending with a call for listeners to like/subscribe and volunteer as guests for the upcoming one-to-nine series.

00:00 Meet the Nines

00:47 Podcast Intro and Enneagram Basics

03:16 Why Aaron Is a Nine

04:15 Childhood Roots of Nineness

07:08 Tara’s Upbringing and Nine Vibes

09:00 Conflict Stories and Marriage Triggers

10:50 Soul Child Theory for Nines

20:01 Decision Paralysis and People Pleasing

25:34 Stress Line to Six Worst Case Thinking

26:56 Fear of Wrong Choices

28:28 Childhood Scolding Memories

30:02 Left Handed Lesson

31:29 Fitting In at School

32:48 Soul Child Enneagram

36:54 Nine Growth Questions

40:14 Owning Needs and Decisions

42:37 Decision Fatigue Meals

45:09 Audio Check and Wrap

45:54 Guests and Next Topics

48:20 Nine Commitment Jokes

49:47 Subscribe and Closing

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(Plus a Lightning Strike & a Family Bed Swap)

Holly and Tannah open with chaotic weekend updates, including a loud lightning strike near Holly’s house, a trip to support their friend Paul’s final long ride for Ironman Wisconsin with snacks, and an exhausting bedroom/bed swap for the kids that sparked stress, clutter cleanout, and a surprise headboard with color-changing lights that Holly lets her son enjoy. They transition into Enneagram Adventure, explaining they’re IEQ9 certified coaches and emphasizing the Enneagram measures core motivation rather than behavior. Inspired by Ian Morgan Cron, they explore whether “you are enough just as you are” can reduce personal responsibility, discussing identity, entitlement, authenticity versus being a jerk, parenting accountability, ADHD-related correction and confidence, and how relationships evolve through phases by choosing each other daily and mourning past versions. They close with plans for guest episodes and inviting listeners of every Enneagram number to participate, plus where to find the show (including Pandora).

00:00 Weekend Catch Up

00:18 Lightning Strike Surprise

01:12 Ironman Snack Crew

01:43 Kids Bedroom Swap Chaos

05:41 Decor Wins and Decluttering

08:02 Podcast Intro and Enneagram Basics

09:30 Are You Enough

12:45 Parenting and Enoughness

15:39 Identity Responsibility and Growth

25:08 Enough Versus Entitlement

28:34 Choosing Each Other Daily

39:51 Friendships Through Life Changes

41:26 Wrap Up and Listener Invites

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Holly and Tannah introduce Bodhi the beagle and attempt an entertainment-only conversation connecting astrology with the Enneagram, noting they’re IEQ9 certified coaches but not astrology experts. Tannah scrambles for a birth time—discovering her birth certificate doesn’t list it—then calls her mom and lands on “around 6:00 PM,” while they discuss using apps like CoStar and mention Zodiogram. They compare charts and Enneagram patterns: Holly shares being a Sagittarius sun, Gemini moon, Virgo rising and links traits like questioning and “philosopher” energy to type 5; Tannah reads her Libra sun, Aquarius moon, Pisces rising descriptions and reflects on how they resonate with her type 2, wing 3, and soul child themes. They also review family charts (including Aaron as Scorpio sun, Taurus moon, Aquarius rising), joke about compatibility, debate nuance vs correlation, and invite listeners to share their chart, type, and subtype, ending with a call to follow and engage across podcast platforms.

00:00 Astrology Meets Enneagram

01:21 Birth Certificate Mystery

02:25 Calling Mom for Birth Time

03:47 Downloading CoStar App

05:36 Why Charts Might Match Types

07:46 Host Chart Breakdown

10:27 Finding Tannah Chart

12:47 Compatibility and Planet Jokes

14:31 Virgo Rising Deep Dive

20:07 Libra Traits and Balance

21:07 Libra Sun Reflections

21:44 Aquarius Moon Breakdown

22:55 Pisces Rising Traits

24:13 Enneagram Crossovers

25:19 Son Chart Leo Mix

27:11 Scorpio Rising Deep Dive

28:36 Hard Questions Kid

32:04 Dog Destroys Scotty

33:00 Aaron Birth Chart

36:37 Astrology Vs Enneagram

39:02 Human Design Rabbit Hole

40:01 Wrap Up And Plans

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Holly and Tannah open with personal updates about Tannah’s eight year old’s birthday weekend and Holly’s husband Aaron re injuring his collarbone and recovering from surgery, then welcome listeners to Enneagram Adventure and explain that the Enneagram measures core motivation rather than behavior, cautioning against free online tests and recommending the IEQ9 assessment. They do a structured deep dive on wings, which are the adjacent numbers to a core type, sharing three common wing theories: one dominant wing, balanced wings, or wings shifting over time. They review all nine types and both wings with key descriptors and examples from people they know, including Holly’s shift from 5 wing 6 to 5 wing 4 over time. They close by sharing an email invitation to host Enneagram author Beatrice Chestnut on the podcast to discuss her work and concerns about short form sound bite content, then encourage listeners to like, subscribe, and share.

00:00 Weekend Catch Up

02:53 Aaron Injury Update

06:19 Podcast Intro Disclaimer

08:29 Wings Overview Theories

12:14 Type One Wings

15:17 Type Two Wings

18:40 Type Three Wings

21:07 Type Four Wings

22:34 Type Five Wings Shift

24:43 Old Anxiety Planning

26:57 Type Six Wings

28:52 Type Seven Wings

30:42 Type Eight Wings

34:30 Type Nine Wings

37:10 Wings Perspective

38:51 Beatrice Chestnut Invite

40:52 Wrap Up and Subscribe

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Holly and Tannah, IEQ9 certified Enneagram coaches, frame the Enneagram as a tool focused on core motivation and then discuss relationships through the lens of what each type cannot outsource to others. They walk through types 1–9: ones must practice self-forgiveness rather than relying on reassurance; twos cannot outsource worth and may “give to get”; threes must separate identity from achievement to feel “enough”; fours can’t make others responsible for regulating emotional intensity and need tools to move through feelings; fives must take ownership of reaching for connection rather than always waiting; sixes can’t outsource an internal sense of safety and may seek reassurance that never satisfies; sevens must build capacity to stay present with discomfort instead of escaping or reframing; eights must choose vulnerability rather than waiting until it feels fully safe; and nines must show up, voice needs, and not rely on others to draw them out.

00:00 Weekend Check In

00:07 Surgery Scare

02:20 Urgent Care Results

03:55 Family Reunion Weekend

06:19 Podcast Intro

08:14 Relationship Topic Setup

10:30 Type One Self Forgiveness

15:54 Type Two Worth Trap

18:58 Expectations From Media

21:27 Invisible Labor In Marriage

23:46 Type Three Enoughness

25:38 Type Three At Work

28:09 Type Four Emotional Depth

32:47 Type Five Reaching Out

36:04 Type Six Inner Safety

38:51 Type Seven Discomfort Tolerance

41:16 Type Eight Vulnerability

45:20 Type Nine Speak Up

48:20 Wrap Up And Goodbye

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(And What It’s Really Protecting)

On a rainy Friday, Enneagram coaches Holly and Tannah record a chaotic episode with pets while introducing The Enneagram Adventure and explaining that the Enneagram goes deeper than behavior into core motivation. They explore shame across Enneagram types, noting triad emotions (2-3-4 shame, 5-6-7 anxiety, 8-9-1 anger) and discussing how shame reactions differ: Ones turn it into harsh self-criticism and minimize compliments; Twos feel “shame on me” through external comparison; Threes bury shame with work, wins, and image; Fours personalize it and build identity around pain; Fives feel shame as incompetence and “should have known”; Sixes spiral into anxiety, doubt, defensiveness, and seek validation; Sevens reframe, joke, distract, or double down; Eights convert shame into anger to avoid vulnerability; Nines numb out, withdraw, merge, and over-serve after mistakes. They close by emphasizing shame fuels hiding, not change, and relating it to parenting and safe honesty.

00:00 Chaotic Pet Check In

00:36 Rainy Day Catch Up

02:10 Podcast Intro Enneagram Basics

03:13 Why Talk About Shame

05:13 Triads And Core Emotions

05:53 Type Two Shame And Comparison

10:34 Type One Shame Inner Critic

15:39 Type Three Shame And Overwork

17:10 Type Four Shame And Misfit Story

21:45 Type Five Shame Triggers

24:00 Type Six Anxiety Spiral

26:18 Type Six Learning Uncertainty

28:26 Type Seven Avoiding Shame

31:32 Type Eight Anger Armor

34:16 Type Nine Numbing Out

37:08 Breaking the Shame Cycle

39:11 Parenting Without Shame

40:27 Wrap Up and Goodbye

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The Hard Conversation Each Enneagram Type Avoids

Tannah opens the episode anxious that her air conditioner and Nest thermostat are malfunctioning, then shares lake-trip updates and chaotic back-to-school and kids’ soccer logistics, including a messy car and her son’s “helicopter collection” of applesauce tops. The hosts of Enneagram Adventure—certified Enneagram coaches—introduce the topic of courage as the willingness to stay in discomfort, especially during hard conversations, emphasizing curiosity, directness, and kindness. They discuss practicing timely conflict repair (a 48-hour rule), how twos may keep score and struggle to ask for needs without feeling selfish, and how eights’ directness can mask fear of vulnerability. They note head types can intellectualize patterns without embodying change, compare discomfort training to cold plunging and running, and end relieved that Tannah’s AC is working.

00:00 AC Panic Cold Air

01:23 Lake Trip Recap

03:27 Chaotic Family Schedule

05:47 Podcast Intro Enneagram Basics

07:18 Courage Hard Conversations

08:58 Workplace Conflict Skills

12:05 48 Hour Rule Resentment

15:52 Brave Words Kid Boundaries

17:54 Write It Down Dont Send

21:02 Eights And Vulnerability

22:35 Directness Without Cruelty

26:18 Calling Out Judgment

27:48 Curiosity And The Stories We Tell

30:52 Twos Asking For Needs

32:12 Breaking Childhood Patterns

34:35 Letting Others Find Their Way

37:57 Knowing Versus Feeling It

39:40 Training Discomfort Tolerance

42:16 Workout High And Rewards

43:14 AC Update And Wrap Up

45:07 Listener Questions And Goodbye

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Hosts Tannah and Holly open with travel updates, poor air quality, and a puppy cameo, then share how Tannah decided to travel to New York for Ironman Lake Placid to support Aaron’s friend Logan despite Aaron’s broken collarbone, using a “how do you want to feel?” decision exercise. They introduce Enneagram Adventure, note they are IEQ9-certified coaches, and frame the episode around a Ryan Holiday (modern stoic) idea: virtue is a verb. Using the Enneagram vice-to-virtue concept, they discuss each type’s virtue as actionable practice: Type 1 serenity, 2 humility, 3 hope, 4 equanimity, 5 non-attachment, 6 faith, 7 sobriety, 8 innocence, and 9 right/aligned action, with examples like boundaries for twos, releasing expectations for fives, and slowing down for sevens. They close with community CTAs, mention Hector returning to discuss Type 4, and end with travel well-wishes.

00:00 Puppy Chaos Intro

00:41 Wildfire Smoke Check

02:03 Trip to Lake Placid

03:11 Choosing Experiences

05:12 Virtue Is a Verb

06:51 Stoicism and Ryan Holiday

09:23 Enneagram Vice to Virtue

11:10 Type One Serenity

14:31 Type Two Humility

20:41 Type Three Hope

23:07 Type Four Equanimity

24:42 Type Five Nonattachment

28:03 Type Six Faith

30:06 Type Seven Sobriety

32:35 Type Eight Innocence

35:56 Type Nine Right Action

37:35 Wrap Up and Community

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