Gary Wichansky is a friend of mine who runs a company called Hotopp Associates, an experience and entertainment design firm. After working at the firm under its founder, Michael Hotopp, Gary became the CEO in 2013.

Gary and I talk about making tough decisions, Gary’s philosophy of obstacle-based design, and what the show Game of Thrones can teach us about the art of the possible.

For more on our discussion, and to check out the work Gary and his team have done to help the National Hockey League redesign its approach to hockey in the time of COVID-19, check out the show notes at www.chrisclearfield.com/podcast.