In this episode, Cody has a conversation with Zach Carothers of Portugal. The Man. Zach grew up in Wasilla, Alaska, where he spent most of his time skateboarding, snowboarding and playing music. He started playing music in elementary school programs. Then in high school, he played for a band called The Dependable Letdowns. The next band he played for was A New Hope, which eventually changed its name to Anatomy of a Ghost. After Anatomy of a Ghost broke up, Portugal. The Man was formed in 2004. Between then and now, a lot has happened. They’ve gained band mates and lost band mates, recorded eight albums, toured the world and even won a Grammy.

Zach says that the feeling of success is a carrot on a stick. That his idea of success is always changing. At first, it meant playing a show and having the crowd sing your lyrics, then it was the first time he played in a big city or traveled overseas, then it was the first time he played at a big music festival. Now, his idea of success is tied to the band’s current work with the rights of indigenous peoples, through the PTM Foundation.