Debbi Krasey is born to make. Gently but ever so rhythmically you can hear her knitting needles clacking as we talk. Deb and I have been friends for 35 years. She is a trooper and a survivor, all the while compulsively making... ...but during the course of this conversation I discovered that Deb has a passion, a part of her artistic identity, I wasn't even aware of.

She mentions instagram maker @paquiliztli.

Debbi's IG is @dkrasey

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Thank you to Dallas Cosmas for use of his track "Good Goodbye" from his album "The Memory Keys" and to BlueAnt for donating the tech which is making the recording possible.