In this first full-length episode, we open up and share the foundational story that brought us to where we are today—two people who chose to rebuild everything from the ground up. We walk through the earliest moments of our love story, the pressure cooker of Mormon marriage, and how infidelity shattered the illusion of perfection but cracked us open to the truth.

We talk about being raised in a system where checklist compatibility was more important than embodied truth, and how that showed up in our early years of parenting, partnership, and sexual disconnect. “There was this incompatibility in the depth of emotion and the sexual connection—and that was driving me out to find it.” That moment of honesty laid the groundwork for everything that came after.

The crash was hard. The healing was harder. We talk about the betrayal, the shame, the church’s failed attempts at spiritual support, and how we turned to plant medicine, therapy in a bottle, and eventually a deep dive into psychedelics that transformed our marriage.

We recount our first mushroom journey and the clarity it brought. We share about leaving the Mormon church, reclaiming our spirituality, and stepping into the Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine in new ways. From moon baths to magic rituals, from heartbreak to sacred sex, this episode is the deep exhale of finally saying: this is where it all began.

We speak on trauma, reconnection, and the power of MDMA-assisted healing: “We thought we were going to talk about separating—and instead we made the most beautiful love of our relationship.” What followed was the real work of healing—not just the relationship, but ourselves.

This is our rawest truth. Our magical, messy beginning.

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Key Highlights

[00:00] Overview of the podcast’s purpose