In this episode, Dr. Kris Kern joins us to talk about getting his doctoral degree after working as a school administrator and counselor for many years. He shares his journey of being a first-generation college student who worked throughout his educational years, which ultimately informed his career interests. Dr. Kern shares some advice for folks who are considering changing careers and getting a doctoral degree in clinical or counseling psychology. 

Transcript support provided by accessibility assistant Allison Drazba.