Hugh McElroy and Mike Kanin from Black Eyes return to discuss their first new album in 20 years, Hostile Design, the state of American socio-political discourse, the inspiring resistance that D.C. residents have exhibited as the federal government has sent military personnel and ICE agents into the area, American history and foreign policy and where power truly lies, songwriting themes and topics explored by Black Eyes, working with Ian MacKaye as a producer, tour dates, other future plans, and much more.

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