We opened with a discussion on the state of Michigan State football after last week's eye-opening loss, and where things are with Jonathan Smith as MSU hits the road to face Indiana this Saturday. Then a conversation with Indianapolis Star Hoosiers writer Zach Osterman on how Curt Cignetti is winning at Indiana, why that program is taken off and whether the Hoosiers might overlook the Spartans (28:00). Followed by a conversation with The Athletic's Cody Stavenhagen on the Tigers' offseason and what next year's team might look like (57:00). Plus, the Rube's thoughts on the Lions (1:28:00) and a couple stories worth telling.