Shannon Cartier Lucy is a painter who went from the NYC art world to divorce, heroin addiction, to moving back home to Nashville and 'giving up' to resuming her practice (but as a painter) 10 years later and acclaim through posting them on the internet. She has  one of the most remarkable stories (and ASMR voices) around. We also discuss our love of Rinpoche Chogyam Trungpa, Crazy Wisdom and Shambhala Vision, how ambiguity clarifies, growing up with a parent with schizophrenia, Nunsploitation, and burnout.

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