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Ep 11 - Toward What Matters: Sarah Markowitz on CBT, Values, and Choice
There are many ways to do therapy, and many reasons why people gravitate to certain modalities, both as patients and practitioners.
And while there are some who will insist that their way is the way, we’re happy to acknowledge where our preferred methods overlap and diverge with others, and how different therapies can help people arrive at the same place of better self-understanding and moving through the world with more ease.
Today, we’re chatting with Gillian’s longtime friend and Cognitive Behavioral Therapist extraordinaire, Sarah Markowitz. We get into what’s similar in CBT and a psychodynamic approach, what’s different, and why these schools of therapy tend to appeal to certain people. We also talk about the tricky balancing act between direction and curiosity for therapists, educators, and parents when engaging kids on behavioral change.
Listen to the full episode to hear:
- How Sarah investigates resistance to change from a stance that is both directive and client-centered
- How building experience as therapists leads to more overlap in our approaches than not
- The layers of thoughts, rules, and core beliefs that CBT uncovers over time
- How both therapists and parenting advice have shifted to be more descriptive than directive
- How Sarah’s logical, but not rigid, household, along with swimming, summer camp, and horses, shaped her ability to self-regulate and her default state under stress
Learn more about Sarah Markowitz:
- MindWell Psychology
Learn more about I Hate You. What’s For Dinner?
Learn more about Gillian Boudreau, PhD.:
- Website
- Instagram @clearconnectionpsychology
Learn more about Rob Galligan, PhD.:
- Instagram @dr.robert.galligan
Resources:
- EP 06 - Trickle Up!: Ron Williams On Purpose, Legacy, And Spreading Abundance
- Acceptance and commitment therapy
- Dialectical behavior therapy
- Marsha M. Linehan
- Aaron Beck
- Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents: How to Heal from Distant, Rejecting, or Self-Involved Parents, Lindsay C. Gibson PsyD
- Dr. Ross Greene
- EP 09 - Fear, Resistance, And Flow: Paula Tursi On Letting Parenting Happen
- EP 08 - Keeping It Authentic (And Surprising): Dr. Matt Morrison On Raising Kids And Therapists
- Dr. Russ Harris
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By Gillian Boudreau & Rob GalliganThere are many ways to do therapy, and many reasons why people gravitate to certain modalities, both as patients and practitioners.
And while there are some who will insist that their way is the way, we’re happy to acknowledge where our preferred methods overlap and diverge with others, and how different therapies can help people arrive at the same place of better self-understanding and moving through the world with more ease.
Today, we’re chatting with Gillian’s longtime friend and Cognitive Behavioral Therapist extraordinaire, Sarah Markowitz. We get into what’s similar in CBT and a psychodynamic approach, what’s different, and why these schools of therapy tend to appeal to certain people. We also talk about the tricky balancing act between direction and curiosity for therapists, educators, and parents when engaging kids on behavioral change.
Listen to the full episode to hear:
- How Sarah investigates resistance to change from a stance that is both directive and client-centered
- How building experience as therapists leads to more overlap in our approaches than not
- The layers of thoughts, rules, and core beliefs that CBT uncovers over time
- How both therapists and parenting advice have shifted to be more descriptive than directive
- How Sarah’s logical, but not rigid, household, along with swimming, summer camp, and horses, shaped her ability to self-regulate and her default state under stress
Learn more about Sarah Markowitz:
- MindWell Psychology
Learn more about I Hate You. What’s For Dinner?
Learn more about Gillian Boudreau, PhD.:
- Website
- Instagram @clearconnectionpsychology
Learn more about Rob Galligan, PhD.:
- Instagram @dr.robert.galligan
Resources:
- EP 06 - Trickle Up!: Ron Williams On Purpose, Legacy, And Spreading Abundance
- Acceptance and commitment therapy
- Dialectical behavior therapy
- Marsha M. Linehan
- Aaron Beck
- Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents: How to Heal from Distant, Rejecting, or Self-Involved Parents, Lindsay C. Gibson PsyD
- Dr. Ross Greene
- EP 09 - Fear, Resistance, And Flow: Paula Tursi On Letting Parenting Happen
- EP 08 - Keeping It Authentic (And Surprising): Dr. Matt Morrison On Raising Kids And Therapists
- Dr. Russ Harris