In Ep. 12: Trans/Athletes, 16-year-old Cillian Mullen and grad student Liam Miranda sat down with us to talk about their experiences as trans male rowers in high school and college, and highlight opportunities for how the rest of us can help make boathouses welcoming and inclusive for all athletes.

In this bonus recording, Cillian takes the mic to survey Liam, 10 years his senior.