In this episode, Yasmin sits down with Lubna Shuja – the outgoing President of the Law Society of England and Wales. Lubna is the first Asian, first Muslim and only the seventh female President in the Law Society's nearly 200-year history.

The pair reflect on Lubna’s term as President – what she’s achieved, what her typical working days have been like (hint: long!), and why she never gets tired of talking about diversity and inclusion. They also discuss the importance of making mistakes, and what Lubna has learned by having one-on-one conversations directly with Law Society members.

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