"Is the idea of measuring cyber risk ""hooey!"" as one of the InfoSec godfathers once said? Let's find out with our guest Ryan Leirvik. Your hosts are Kip Boyle, CISO with Cyber Risk Opportunities, and Jake Bernstein, Partner with K&L Gates.

Ryan's book ""Understand, Manage, and Measure Cyber Risk: Practical Solutions for Creating a Sustainable Cyber Program"" -- https://www.amazon.com/Understand-Manage-Measure-Cyber-Risk/dp/1484278208/

Website -- https://www.neuvik.com/

LinkedIn Profile -- https://www.linkedin.com/in/leirvik/"