Elizabeth Kipps an author of The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim your Healing Power. A health facilitator in areas such as stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. She is well versed in healing arts. If there is no pain, there is no gain. 

To experience healing from within - mind-body and soul. 

Episode Highlights

Elizabeth [00:02:55] Specializing in chronic pain. I'm really focused all on all the things I do are focused on the chronic pain audience. There's a lot of us and most of us don't know even what that is. They don't we don't realize we have chronic pain, but we do.

Ari [00:13:02] We're getting agreed. OK. We're getting agreement. Good. So now imagine that that heat is producing an inflammatory response, which is then causing your nervous system to go huh. Something's going on here. What's going on? I better send some signals to some brain chemistry to start sending things to check that out. Immune response. All of a sudden, the immune response goes. There is some heat here, we got to cool this down. Let's do our thing to heal whatever's going on. So I'm bringing attention to a body part that has an issue, whether you knew about the issue or not. And now that heat is causing an inflammatory and a chemical response in the area. And this is how I began the process of bridging the gaps between science and science, medicine and woo woo alternative and a great breakdown.

Elizabeth [00:17:21] And there were 20 of us in the room to some just say you says, what are you doing to cause your pain? What are you doing to contribute to your pain? What are you doing? To contribute to the pain is how you put it. And that's what I said.

Elizabeth [00:20:58] I went and had the train, first training I could get to, and I became its ancestral clean plantation practitioner right out as fast as I could because it was so powerful. It was amazing, you know. Yeah. So words are powerful. Prayer is powerful. It's very specific. And and I could get into it, you know, on another time. But I do teach this stuff now, and it's amazing.

Ari [00:21:22] Absolutely. You know, one of the things that as a therapist that I studied a lot of is somatic responses to trauma and how the emotional trauma is stored in the body.

Ari [00:21:43] And I do a lot of work with. Emotional release through somatic trauma. So somatic therapy, so, you know, I know that you do as well.

Elizabeth [00:29:20] Oh, we have to do the work. Ari. We have to do our own work on it. I don't just do the work. I'm in the work. I do the work.

Ari [00:29:29] So this is, you know, for for other practitioners. And, you know, even if you're a person who has a family member or a friend who is going through stuff for the trauma, the trauma that the person who holds the trauma.

Ari [00:43:31] Yeah. No, absolutely. I'm a science geek. You'll you'll find me in a corner for fifteen hours researching scientific papers because I started with one and I said, oh, I don't understand this part. Let me go look at that. I don't understand this part. Let me go look at that. Oh, I don't understand this. Let me go look at it versus gone by and I don't know where I am or who I am or what I've done. All I know is I'm filled with all this new information that I could then take and put to the side and use for some really awesome podcast conversation.

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Ari&Elizabeth.mp3

Ari [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down.

Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast.

Ari [00:01:03] Welcome to another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich, and I have with me again Elizabeth Kipp. I had to talk to her longer and deeper because we just did a quick interview last time. And I was so intrigued with the things she was saying that I wanted you to hear them all. So, Elizabeth, welcome back. I'll give you a little bit of a of an introduction. You've been in the healing arts for most of your life on both sides. All right. You are you're certified and many forms of healing. You have a B.S. in science. You know, you bridge the gaps between the medical side, the AWU side and the alternative health side. And you do so in a way that is with such grace. So welcome. Thank you so much for coming back. And, you know, just give the audience a little bit of what you do. So, you know, just the technical. Here's what I do and here's why I do it.

Elizabeth [00:02:16] Thank you so much, Ari. And I appreciate the opportunity. I'm a health facilitator and I call myself that because I'm not doing healing. I'm really just kind of a guide because everyone is their own healer. You know, your greatest healer lives inside of you. That would be the one message that everybody could go away with if I had a TED talk. That would be the mantra I'd want to walk out with. Right. So certainly for your podcasts, you're your greatest healer. I'm the facilitator. So I call myself that. I am an addiction recovery. Yoga informed addiction recovery coach.

Elizabeth [00:02:55] Specializing in chronic pain. I'm really focused all on all the things I do are focused on the chronic pain audience. There's a lot of us and most of us don't know even what that is. They don't we don't realize we have chronic pain, but we do.

Elizabeth [00:03:13] It's hard to clear when we don't really know it, we're even ill.

Elizabeth [00:03:18] I teach yoga, which built from a trauma informed perspective to help people in chronic pain. And and I also do this thing called assisted clearing, which is of another modality which is very useful to help us clear patterns from the past, negative, unhealthy patterns from the past, be it our past in this lifetime or the lifetime of our ancestors.

Ari [00:03:48] So that is a it's a fascinating thing, you've done an ancestral clearing on me in the past. There's almost a year ago, actually. And. You know, it's funny because when we take genetic tests nowadays, we can see the expression of our genes. How they're being expressed into the world, the epigenetics and. When I did hear that, when when you facilitated the clearing with me, I then went back and did my genetic test again and it the expressions had shifted and changed. So this is where I like to bridge the gaps between the two. Because somebody will hear ancestral clearing. How can we clean clear what's going on?

Ari [00:04:39] Well, it's in your DNA, you know, it's in your genes. What was going on? One hundred, two hundred, three hundred years ago in your family tree is in your genes. And so we express those genes out. And.

Ari [00:04:57] And so taking the ancestral clearing to a whole new level of, you know, from from what people would consider to be woo woo to the science of it is there is a lot of science that says our genes can be reprogramed if we can clear out the traumas and pain. So when we talk a little bit about that.

Elizabeth [00:05:21] Sure. Yeah. Love to one of my favorite things to talk about.

Elizabeth [00:05:27] So your time at epigenetics and the way I really break the genetic part of it down is there's the hard wiring. We can use that analogy, skin color, hair color, eye color. Unless you've got a hair colors and or you've got, you know, contact lens, there's nothing going on. And then there's the soft wiring, which is things like whats might be controversial, some people, but but still haven't figured out a gene for alcoholism, for instance, or addiction.

Elizabeth [00:06:02] They found a predisposition.

Elizabeth [00:06:05] That's epigenetic, but how we relate to the environment. So we come in kind of like with this hard wiring and these switches on the outside, which is software, F.B., meaning outside on the gene that there's switches there on on off switches.

Elizabeth [00:06:22] And depending on what happens in the environment, depends on whether it's which is on or off. Sickle cell anemia is another good example. It's it's helpful in Africa, not so helpful in the United States. So it's just this environmental and this environmental thing. And I would challenge the audience. Now, I've been in this for a while, so. So bear with me. But I would challenge the audience to say to ask them, how do you think we get resilience built into the system? Trial and error over hundreds and hundreds of generations. Resilience is built into the system. All right. So that's a good thing. It's built in genetically. Everybody can kind of see that, right? And what happens with trauma that goes unresolved, with hurt and anger and resentment and the aloneness and grief? That gets baked into. So when we're born, we come in with the joys and the challenges of our ancestors. On a very real level, you know, it kind of sounds weird, but if you really think about it, what did they go through? I know you can. I know people will resonate with that. I'll give you an example how it turned out for me. Just a really quick one. Absolutely. My parents were both in were bored, too.

Elizabeth [00:08:01] My mom was a nurse and they in in England. And my dad was in the in the Pacific. And they both experienced trauma and they had no idea what to do with any of it because remember, the culture was deny and no pain. No gain. Right. Yeah.

Elizabeth [00:08:20] Yeah. And and so they carried the trauma because they didn't know what to do with the body. Keeps score. Right. Bessel Vander Kux work. The body keeps score is totally real. So they come back from the war. They get married, have two kids, my brother and I.

Elizabeth [00:08:38] I remember being four years old. And consciously asking myself what is happening here?

Elizabeth [00:08:46] I knew there was this dark shadow. And today we would call it the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. Yeah, I could feel it. It was a heavy this heaviness, my brother. I could feel it. I didn't know what to call it. I didn't know what to do about it. But I felt it right. I didn't know about any of that until I actually had an experience of ancestor clearing. And. And I was able to release it. And I was like and I felt lighter. And I was like, oh, my goodness, this is amazing. Right.

Elizabeth [00:09:20] So I'm really I'm still amazed.

Elizabeth [00:09:22] I've acted in this work for six and a half years. I do it every day somewhere on the planet with somebody, you know, virtually in person, whatever. And it's still floors me.

Elizabeth [00:09:33] It's so beautiful how people can just drop their stuff. So, yeah, that's just a quick example.

Ari [00:09:39] Yeah. You know what? I love marrying the Woo with the science. And I'll give you a quick example of how I did that at the beginning of my career. I was 18 when I started going to school for becoming a therapist. And three months into my schooling. I had I was running the clinic and I thought, we need to have more people in our clinic. We need more more patients to see so that the students can get more experience. And our school backed up to three companies, major companies, Intel, Nike and Tektronix. This is in Beaverton, Oregon. And I said to myself, self, I think we should just take our clinic to them so they don't have to go anywhere. Let's just take the clinic to them. And I started three and unwittingly, unknowingly and, you know, whatever ing I, I started three of the first corporate wellness programs in the country. Awesome. And those programs are still alive. I don't know to what degree at this point. They're still alive, but they're still alive. Those companies still have them. But the thing was interesting is because are engineering companies, two of them, somebody a Tektronix asked me because I was I kept they kept walking by me with these motherboards that had been recently tripled tested. And they'd walk by me with them. And all of a sudden on their last quality control test, they would not be working. And the only thing that they could see different was that they walked by me. And so they ended up having to plug me into their ground, both at my ankle and my wrist. So while I was working, I was plugged in. And somebody asked me, one of the engineers who was in his mid 50s, I would imagine. And he asked me, what is this Reiki thing that you're doing? And I thought about it for a minute because I knew that he wouldn't understand if I described it to him the way my teacher described it to me. And so I thought about it for a second and I said, well. We know that the Palms produce infrared heat. Right. This is the the majority of the wavelength that we can measure is an infrared wavelength. And we produce more of it in our hands and our palms than anywhere else on our body. I said we can measure this. Right. This is this is a measurable thing. And the engineer said, yes, that we can we can measure the wavelength. I said, OK. So we also know that infrared wavelengths penetrate the body. Two to three inches. Yes, we know that. OK, got that. OK. So if I put my hand near your body in a very specific place in organ, for instance, and I hold it up, I'm still admitting that infrared wavelength. Correct. Yes. OK. So we got agreement.

Ari [00:13:02] We're getting agreed. OK. We're getting agreement. Good. So now imagine that that heat is producing an inflammatory response, which is then causing your nervous system to go huh. Something's going on here. What's going on? I better send some signals to some brain chemistry to start sending things to check that out. Immune response. All of a sudden, the immune response goes. There is some heat here, we got to cool this down. Let's do our thing to heal whatever's going on. So I'm bringing attention to a body part that has an issue, whether you knew about the issue or not. And now that heat is causing an inflammatory and a chemical response in the area. And this is how I began the process of bridging the gaps between science and science, medicine and woo woo alternative and a great breakdown.

Elizabeth [00:14:01] That's a great breakdown.

Ari [00:14:03] I thought pretty good, you know, and the belief started to get there, and so if you're if you're in the audience and you're going, well, this is all just woo woo. Well, it's not. Nothing operates inside of a vacuum except for scientific lab studies because they isolate components, as you were saying before, they isolate things. Right. And so there's an entire world of healing. So tell us a little bit about four for you, how you got into your. You're a science person and you were having issues and then all of a sudden you go to somebody and he says there may be a better way. And you were like, oh. So tell us a little bit about that.

Elizabeth [00:14:50] I was that what you might call a Sacred Bottom? I had surrendered just like I knew that if I was going to continue taking the opiates and the benzodiazepines that they had prescribed me, that I was going to die.

Elizabeth [00:15:02] So and I and I and my life with them was, you know, I had was having panic attacks. I was sick all the time. I couldn't eat. I would just love life. Quality of life was was was was was was unacceptable.

Elizabeth [00:15:20] Dr Peter Prescott is pain management program and. He knew he knew chronic pain is why he was trained. So he really knew he he knew kind of going in what was going on with me more than I did. Actually, I was. It was surprising. And anyway, he helped me detox off the medication. And I'll tell you kind of a little bit of what happened in there. I walked into the room. I was wheeled into the room because I was so sick, I detoxed off that bed. I was detoxing for 10 days off that medication, and I was very weak from that. So I was in a wheelchair and they wheeled me into the room. There's 20 other patients just like me. I didn't even know there were 20 other people that had. They were just complicated. Been in this much pain. And all this time I didn't even know that. So that was cool just to see that, you know. But I didn't know who they were. And I'm sitting there minding my own business, trying to just keep it cool and just keep myself together in the room. Dr. Peter says, don't judge the moment. And I will tell you what happened in my head. I didn't say it out loud, is what the conversation in my head. Dude, I'm just sitting here minding my own business, I'm not judging anything. And it was kind of like, how dare you? So you can see my hackles were up right away in defense. Right. And I knew he I knew he had the floor and I knew he was the doctor in the room that I had to listen. And I was there. Listen to him. So, you know, but I. I had that attitude, you know, within three minutes, I realized he was talking about my pain. Don't judge your pain. Right. Don't judge the moment. And I'm like, oh, my God, I've been judging. My pain is bad my whole life. No wonder I'm in chronic pain. Right. And then he says.

Elizabeth [00:17:13] And to ask a chronic pain patient, this question takes a lot of guts, man.

Elizabeth [00:17:21] And there were 20 of us in the room to some just say you says, what are you doing to cause your pain? What are you doing to contribute to your pain? What are you doing? To contribute to the pain is how you put it. And that's what I said.

Elizabeth [00:17:42] There were like five words for me, because my my perspective at that point was it's happening to me. I'm the victim, right? And he was like, you know, this is not all about that. There's our behaviors are driving our biology. You know, no doctor ever said that to me.

Elizabeth [00:18:11] And and I because he'd already proven himself to me with don't judge the moment I listen to the next one. I didn't like it, but I listened to it and I started to cause I already realized I'd been judging my pain.

Elizabeth [00:18:26] So I knew I was contributing to my pain, at least by judging. Right. So I learned a lot about about from him. About what I was doing to contribute to my own pain. And I wrote right about that in the book because it's so important. The other thing that happened was, was John Newton walked in. He was working and in pain management at that point. He walks in the room and he hands out this piece of paper and it's in English and it's just one piece of paper. And I knew about power words in Sanskrit. I was aware of that.

Elizabeth [00:19:02] I didn't know so much about English power words other than NO the kind of stuff I didn't know anyway.

Elizabeth [00:19:09] So it's an English. He says to everybody, what's your pain level zero to 10? You know, in intensity. And everybody in the room is like eight to 20 is the number they gave. Right. And mind sitting entity. My gut pain was terrible at that point.

[00:19:26] And.

[00:19:28] You said, I want you to read this silently. And so we were started reading it silently. I can halfway down the page and I felt the room shift. Energetically, I felt something change in the room. And unlike what just happened, and I thought and I thought in my head, I thought, Elizabeth, you're detoxing. You just imagined that, you know, and. Right. I didn't trust my own experience. And then I felt my pain start to shift. And it went from like an eight to a two. And I'm like, well, I know that's real. And then by then we were finished reading the prayer.

Elizabeth [00:20:09] It was a prayer in English. Very specific.

Elizabeth [00:20:14] And I've never seen anything like this before. So I had my science hat on and I'm observing and noticing and feeling and all at the same time. And he says John says, what's everybody's pain level zero to 10. And everybody's eight and below.

Ari [00:20:29] Wow.

Elizabeth [00:20:30] I was like, oh, my goodness. And this is the convent and I didn't say a word, but this is the conversation in my head. What just happened here? I know something happened.

Elizabeth [00:20:41] I want to know what it is. Is it measurable? Can he can be duplicated?

Elizabeth [00:20:46] And does he teach it. Really fast? And the answer to all those things was yes.

Elizabeth [00:20:55] And so when I got out of treatment.

Elizabeth [00:20:58] I went and had the train, first training I could get to, and I became its ancestral clean plantation practitioner right out as fast as I could because it was so powerful. It was amazing, you know. Yeah. So words are powerful. Prayer is powerful. It's very specific. And and I could get into it, you know, on another time. But I do teach this stuff now, and it's amazing.

Ari [00:21:22] Absolutely. You know, one of the things that as a therapist that I studied a lot of is somatic responses to trauma and how the emotional trauma is stored in the body.

Ari [00:21:43] And I do a lot of work with. Emotional release through somatic trauma. So somatic therapy, so, you know, I know that you do as well.

Ari [00:21:57] Some of some of that kind of thing and have that philosophy. So tell me a little bit about your experience with people who have massive emotional traumas and how quickly they can clear. Using sematic methods of therapy vs. talk therapy. And it's not time to make talk therapy. Wrong. It's just not as quite as optimal in my in my experience or view. Having done it. For hundreds of hours. As the sematic therapies.

Elizabeth [00:22:41] Well, that's a great question. And I will just say here that as part of the ancestral clearing process is a present saying to sensation. So hugely important. So it's it's this sweet blend. There's word medicine. We call I call word medicine. And and then there's there's presence that the client's presence in themselves to the body. They have to be able to do that if you can't be present. You don't you get help, but you don't get as much of an effect. And there are some people who I've had some clients who are are so affected by trauma, they can't actually be in the present moment. So they're there. They are shifted. They get some help, but they don't shift a lot. How fast somebody can can can shift in from a lot of trauma just like that. And so if it comes off in layer's. It really depends on who the person is and what the circumstances. The thing is, is that it's all possible.

Elizabeth [00:23:49] So I it's a little bit of a loaded question because it's not that everybody's a little bit different, which I think your experience probably is, too.

Ari [00:23:58] And I ask it in a loaded way, because, as you know, you know, I came to you to do some clearing of some emotional traumas. And, you know, I always feel like there are people that make it easier.

Ari [00:24:20] There are therapists that can make it easier and therapists that can make it more difficult. And as a therapist, the thing that made what you were doing so much easier for me was how present you were with my pain.

Ari [00:24:39] And. And not trying to fix, but rather continually stay present, nonjudgmental about the pain that I was in. And, you know, I'm sitting here, I always like you judge the crap out of my trauma's and out of my pain. Right. I was raped when I was three years old that I still judge myself for that. What was I putting off? That would cause me to be in that situation. I was three, you know, but I still I want to take responsibility. And so I never learned necessarily how to take that responsibility and not be in blame. And there's a lot of people that are in the same kind of positions with the same kind of traumas, rapes, molestations, sexual traumas, as well as physical trauma and emotional being bullied. You know, that was a trauma. And I always judged myself harder than I would judge any. I'm so present with my clients. Right. And so able to be in their pain, because I've experienced that level of pain that you were able to be present with my pain, without the judgment, without the blame, without the what? Who knows? What are you doing to contribute, but not as a blame factor. So, you know, let's kind of delve deep into that.

Elizabeth [00:26:14] I would like to say thank you for the for noticing all that, because that's a that's kind of. It's a it's it's something that we really try and curry to really cultivate that I actually have a practice because I you'll probably have some health practitioners on on here. And this might be helpful for them. I actually have a practice that I use that helps me in that space. It's very simple. But I actually practice it when it's not simple. So that I can really do it when it with the clients. It's really just being super present. Some of your listeners may know it as equanimity. Where you just sit super still and whatever comes into your sensory field, you notice and you just it just comes in and goes out. You're you're just taking stock. You're just noticing, that's all. And it's it's a skill. Here's where it gets hard. I have a I have a hair trigger striped startle response. You know, just because of my own past trauma. So when I'm in that practice and a police siren comes by rumor, right? You know, I do this. I'm judging the moment. I'm reacting. Right. So the practice is to come back to neutrality and let it pass through. So.

Elizabeth [00:27:49] I used to, I used to I used to go to sleep with crickets and owls and frogs and stuff. Right. And but I left that life a few years back, and I and I live in an apartment and right outside my bedroom window are for heating and cooling systems for the whole building. So when I go to sleep at night, it's like, you're right.

Elizabeth [00:28:09] That's when I first got there. I was like, how am I supposed to sleep here?

Elizabeth [00:28:15] And I'm like, Elizabeth, do your practice? This is the perfect time to do your practice. So I, you know, noticed I was being reactive and I came to neutral and I, you know. And so that's my I of course, I don't even notice them anymore. But the idea is to practice with something where you're reactive and bring yourself back to.

Elizabeth [00:28:36] This pause blank space and then you can sit opposite somebody.

Elizabeth [00:28:44] Absolutely blank. I mean, your your the thing is, I feel it, but it doesn't stay in. It just it moves through. It's not mine. We're just helping. We're just in. I'm just in a position where where I'm helping you, guiding you, the client to process their own stuff. That's all. Yes.

Ari [00:29:05] But it's not that that's all because I've been to a lot of therapists and most of them get uncomfortable. With my pain, because my pain triggers their pain. Right.

Elizabeth [00:29:20] Oh, we have to do the work. Ari. We have to do our own work on it. I don't just do the work. I'm in the work. I do the work.

Ari [00:29:29] So this is, you know, for for other practitioners. And, you know, even if you're a person who has a family member or a friend who is going through stuff for the trauma, the trauma that the person who holds the trauma.

Ari [00:29:49] Saying to them things like, well, you shouldn't be depressed, you've got a great life.

Ari [00:29:55] Things like, you know, what are you complaining about, look at what you've got. You're adding to the problem.

Elizabeth [00:30:04] Oh, yeah.

Ari [00:30:05] If you're able to sit with them in your uncomfort with their pain. The result that you'll gain from just sitting in that space with them and not trying to fix them and just being.

Ari [00:30:24] Just being present with them is going to offer them so much more, resulted in result benefit than the possibility of a fix. Right. And so, you know, we as a as a population kind of have to get over ourselves and say. You know, this is uncomfortable, your pain is really uncomfortable for me, but I take you know, I listen to a lot of therapists and they'll say, you got to get rid of toxic people out of your life. And I think nobody is a toxic person.

Ari [00:31:04] People have maybe suboptimal beliefs or suboptimal results in ways of being. But they are not inherently toxic. The uncomfort ability that people feel within their own cells causes them to want to and try to fix other people. When, as you said at the very beginning of this, you are a facilitator, not the healer. You just are there facilitating their own healing in themselves. And the idea is you've done enough work on yourself to be comfortable in with somebody else's pain without taking it on yourself. That's the other lesson. You don't have to take on their pain just because you're sitting with them in it.

Elizabeth [00:31:57] That's that's true. And I would add as a caveat to that. I'm not judging discomfort is bad. I'm just noticing that it's their.

Elizabeth [00:32:12] Because I am you know, I do feel we're all, you know, where people say, oh, I'm an airhead. Well, you know what? Humans are empathic. That's our nature.

Elizabeth [00:32:21] Some of us are just more awake than others. You know, some of us are just more awake than others, that's all. So that's I'm just kind of putting that out there.

Elizabeth [00:32:33] It's just an.

Elizabeth [00:32:35] It's just important, too. Oh, I'm feeling discomfort. And that's OK. I'm not. I'm just noticing. And that's very powerful. That's going ducted. Don't judge the moment. That's that's it right there. So I'm feeling discomfort and it's OK. And I'll go take it right back to another other thing nobody said when I was growing up. Pain is part of healing.

Elizabeth [00:33:04] That's not the way I grew up. Every time a child hurt themselves or gotten sick, the adults rushed in to like, you know, fix the situation as soon as possible. Stop the crying. Stop the pain. You know, fast as possible. It was just this big emergency around all of it.

Elizabeth [00:33:22] If I got a cold, I got in trouble because I had a cold and. And I would be put to bed and then the doctor would be called and we would doctor's orders. And the doctor was very nice.

Elizabeth [00:33:31] But it was there was all this energy around it, you know, this intense. We have to make it stop kind of stuff. Nobody ever just said to me pain is part of healing.

[00:33:42] And yet, you know, when we break a bone, it hurts for a while until it's healed. It's part of the healing. So not judging. And I would say, Ari, and you may have noticed this yourself. When a practitioner sits across from a client and the client is healing and they're just present and they're, you know, it's like we're talking about it's not sticking your feeling. But it's not sticking in there, just present. The practitioner and the client both get healed.

Elizabeth [00:34:14] It's that kind of space.

Ari [00:34:16] Yeah, absolutely. To tell us a little bit about go off subject of that subject for a second and come to your book The Way Through Chronic Pain. And what are some of the tools that you have put into that book to reclaim your own personal healing power?

Elizabeth [00:34:42] Well, what is where's the responsibility lie for our healing? You know, so so this is the way I I put it. I give 20 percent of the responsibility for my healing to all the other health care practitioners. All health care practitioners out there, doctors, nurses, physical therapists, alternative healers, all of them, 20 percent. The other eight percent mean God, higher power.

Elizabeth [00:35:14] You know, cosmic energy, source, energy, whatever you want to call it. There's something that created all this stuff. Whatever you want to name it really doesn't matter to me. We've been arguing about it for like thousands of years, what to call this thing. But it hits. It's something, you know, me, and.

Elizabeth [00:35:29] That thing, 80 percent. So really important that doctors can set a bone. They can't tell the body how to heal. Something else is at play there. We need to respect that so we follow doctor's orders. That's part of the 20 percent, right? And that's they give the orders. Then it's part of the 80 percent of mine is following doctor's orders. And then also following my own inner inner knowing about it. So I don't know if then insisted. Well, that's one two right there.

Ari [00:36:03] Yeah, that's one of the tools and the fact that that I'm not a a religious human being. I've studied way too many religions, too, to ever follow anyone. But I am a very spiritual human, human being. And, you know, the world doesn't make sense without some kind of an organizational planner, you can call it that. It's an organizational planner that created the organization of the universe. I definitely have, have listened to that advice and. The way that I do some of that and I'll just go by my tool and then I'll. Well, we'll go into some of your other tools is the way that I do that for me is a lot of mirror work and by mirror work, I am staring at myself alone in the mirror. And I actually have one that I could pull up and I could lay in bed and look at it too. So I don't have to just be in a bathroom or, you know, a big mirror in some other place. I could be comfortable, but I will get that mirror and I'll look into my eyes until I start falling in love with myself. And through that, I go through all the things that I don't love about myself. Right. Whether it's, you know, the colors of my cheeks that always have seemed a little too rosy for me or, you know, the little tags or moles or wrinkles that I'm starting to develop.

Ari [00:37:47] I go through what are all the things that are blocking me from being the one for me?

Ari [00:37:55] And to me, when I look in my eyes, I can see the universe. You know, this is a tool that I've used a lot over the last year, year and a half, as I've been recovering from a major personal trauma. And it's one of the tools that I've used for years. But that is for me and I hope that, you know, I tell I tell my clients, I tell everybody who I see get in the mirror and do the work because that's the 80 percent. And then go to somebody. You don't have to do everything alone. But you're never alone when you're with yourself and God and the universe and spirit. And so, you know, it's the scariest thing a person can do, I believe. More scary than being attacked. More scary than going to war. Is. Looking in that mirror for the depth of your soul. And being OK with who you are.

Elizabeth [00:39:00] I love that story around that, by the way. I love that's a very powerful exercise and I'm really glad you brought it in.

Elizabeth [00:39:08] Though I was given an assignment to look in the mirror, it was part of an overall course that I had and he would bring in these lovely she kind of love missions and he would bring these love missions and. It's Tommy Resonantly Recovery 2.0 is his coach coaching Macovei coaching. Amazing guy. So. He brings in this look in the mirror exercise, and I'm like, Tommy, give me another assignment. I'll just get milk. Not that one. So I want to in the next one. And the thing is, I'm enough of an overachiever to like that kind of thing would bug me. And I'm very serious about my healing, looking away. As somebody who's trying to heal. Is we do that, our Aperol looking away.

Elizabeth [00:39:54] That's what we're trying to get over. Looking away stuff, right? So I'm like, OK. Come on, Elizabeth, let's get let's get to it, you know? And I'm like, what is the problem? You know, I was sitting there. What's the problem? I don't know. I just don't want to do it. Whenever I look in the mirror, I pull myself together. I'm like, we're going to do this, you know? And I look in the mirror and I can't hold my own gaze. And I'm like, what is going on here?

Elizabeth [00:40:26] And here I ask this question. Elizabeth, you're looking at yourself.

Elizabeth [00:40:31] What could possibly go wrong, you know? All right.

Elizabeth [00:40:39] Because I was like I was so sure the other shoe was going to fall and something was going to happen. I just I was in that state, you know, I was in like I'm in so much trouble. I'm im threatened.

Elizabeth [00:40:50] There's nothing threatening about that, but my nervous system was certain that it was threatened. That was an exercise where I had to retrain the brain. Right. We have old patterns, right? Is that running our program and we need to retrain. So I took that. Three minutes. 40 days. Every day. Hold the gaze. See what happens. I don't know how much you know, how long you did it, but my practice is three minutes every day, 40 days. And it was amazing. And I did learn to love myself.

Elizabeth [00:41:22] And I got over all my stuff around. I'm not enough. You don't like the way I look at all this.

Elizabeth [00:41:27] Whenever a thousand things,.

Ari [00:41:29] That whole thing, I'm not enough that that is a very common expression and experience of humanity.

Elizabeth [00:41:39] It's also very old. We come by it honestly right now.

Ari [00:41:43] Thats what I'm saying it's one of the fundamental flaws in the human design. Is this thing that we're not enough. And when we think we are, we must be a narcissist or a sociopath. Right?

Elizabeth [00:41:59] Well, I would take it back to the biology here for me, and I'd like to do that. I'd like to bring it down to like, well, how do we even get this way when you look at it in terms of evolution? How could this how could this thing have been helpful to us?

Elizabeth [00:42:13] Remember, were the way can we think it works anyway? We want to survive long enough to be able to pass our genes forward into the next generation. So we were built to survive. Not so much to thrive. For us to do this work that we're doing that's thriving. And that's we're actually evolving our programing. So why would that be helpful for us? That that I'm not enough? Because it helps keep us safe. We're always looking for the threat. Now that that may be, you know, keep up the stress us out and stuff, but we're made for that. You know, we're made for the stress. I just think we die young when we're like that.

Elizabeth [00:42:57] But I always like to take it back to the biology and say, how is this serving from a biological point of view so that I understand my own programing. You know, that's the value of me as a as a clinician anyway. I'm not really I can't. I don't have, like, a masters in social work or anything. I can't hold myself, but I. But I am I do I do this beautiful coaching practitioner work and I and I bring the science in because it's really important that we understand the sort. The psychology is important too. But that hard wiring is important too.

Ari [00:43:31] Yeah. No, absolutely. I'm a science geek. You'll you'll find me in a corner for fifteen hours researching scientific papers because I started with one and I said, oh, I don't understand this part. Let me go look at that. I don't understand this part. Let me go look at that. Oh, I don't understand this. Let me go look at it versus gone by and I don't know where I am or who I am or what I've done. All I know is I'm filled with all this new information that I could then take and put to the side and use for some really awesome podcast conversation.

Elizabeth [00:44:12] Well, it's a it does take time to integrate all that stuff. But you know what? If you've taken all that time, you'll integrate it into your healing work and it'll be beautiful. People benefit.

Ari [00:44:21] Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, that's been something I've been really blessed to be able to do, is look at a research paper and understand it and go, OK. Now, how does this apply in life? How does this apply to my clients? How does this apply to, you know, anywhere that I needed to to apply it to? And just answer your question. I did. As many hours at a time as was required, so during during this last couple of years, car accidents and divorce and different things that I was going through, I. I spent. Probably a good 100 hours in front of the mirror, sometimes in a row, three, four hours in a row in front of the mirror, screaming, wailing, crying in a ball fetal position. Just, you know, releasing as much as I could possibly release in that moment. Until the next moment. Until the next moment. Until the next moment. And at one point I've had I'm going to preface this. I've had 28 friends in my life that were close friends that have killed themselves. And wow, my first attempt at killing myself, I was nine. Brother has attempted. I mean, this is an ongoing it's always been in the background of of my life. And at this point. I was staring in the mirror and I just said, either fucking do it and do it now or shut the hell up. I don't want to hear this talk ever again from you. And I'm looking at myself in the mirror, and I basically gave myself a challenge and an ultimatum. Either do it. Or shut up about it and get it out of your system. And I don't recommend that for people in that way. But you get the kind of feeling of where I was at with this mirror work was if you are so weak in yourself. And this was you know, again, I'm somebody who's I consider myself very strong. I've lived through a lot of trauma, a lot of multitudes of different kinds of traumas and in my opinion, come out on the better side. But if what you want to do is end every good thing that you've ever done in this world, then be weak and take the easy way out and do it now, because otherwise we're going to get into some hard stuff and the next life and we're gonna go through all of it now. And that was another. Realm of three plus hours of screaming and crying before there's almost an eight hour day work day of of screaming and crying in the mirror until I was like, OK, I have too much good to offer this world. To lose hope in the moment because of a thought or a situation. And that was a real turning point for me in in my recovery of the of that trauma. That doesn't mean it's gone. It just means that it is no longer the predominant force.

Ari [00:48:08] That is ruling my life. And so that could be the power of that mirror work. And I just wanted to answer you because you asked me, you know, about the hours, that amount of time I would spend, and it wasn't 40 days straight. There's probably a good year straight. And it was. In some cases, extremely intense and powerful. And hard, and it was nothing I would want anybody to witness necessarily, except for to know that what is possible for them if they're in that place and, you know, we're in this weird life in world that we are in right now. And I just saw another post from a friend of mine that a 16 year old boy committed suicide because of the isolation that we're in. And, you know, I. I wish for people. To have that way through their chronic pain, both physical and emotional, mental, spiritual. And so we'll get back to some more tools that you have. I just wanted to express that to you, that some of that was after and some of it was before you and I worked together, so.

Elizabeth [00:49:32] Hopefully, we were able to get you to a deeper layer. You know, because a lot of that stuff, if you're not if it's not yours, the charity we release, then, you know, then the rest is. What you're left with and my experiences is that we're always working on the current layer. It's the work is there. It's there's no there's no there there. It's only here.

Elizabeth [00:49:58] What's here?

Elizabeth [00:50:01] Which is another tool, by the way, that's being present.

Ari [00:50:05] The here and now?

Elizabeth [00:50:06] Yeah. Yeah, I would also say because people sidestep it. The presence is very important and so is the breath. It's like they'll say to me, it can't be that simple. And I'm like, yeah, it can. Your judgment. It can't be that simple. It's blocking blocking the the process here. Yes. It can be that simple. It's just that this is not the way we learned. I mean, you know, I was like for me it was like, why didn't I learn this in like first grade or prekindergarten? Why is it this is so basic? You know, you would think. Right. Just conscious, breathing, just long, deep. I mean, I just bunch of different ways you can breathe. And I talked about him in the book. But just long. Even inhale. Exhale. Is huge. Most of us are shallow breathers and, you know, this the the alveoli, which are the the parts of the lung that actually are where the gaseous exchange takes place, the oxygen in and the CO2 out there. Most of them are at the base of the lung. So we're shallow breathing into just the upper part of the lung. And we wonder. And so we were getting this. The cells are not getting oxygen. You're getting a buildup of CO2 and other toxins that are coming out of the system into the lung that are not being exhaled properly. And we get brain fog and we feel ungrounded and we wonder what happened and what happened is we're not breathing correctly and we you know, that's why, you know, you just stop and we might even be a little bit anxious and you just stop and long, deep breath breathing nice, long exhale and then start that deep breathing and seven or eight of those long, deep breaths, you're gonna be a different person.

Ari [00:52:03] You know, because you're doing a rescue, that the oxygen cells are getting fully oxygenated and you're releasing all that toxins build up in the base of the lung. You know, you're getting the system to work and we work again. We do have a body that needs attention mind.

Ari [00:52:21] Absolutely. You know, one of the things that I that I used to tell corporation, I still tell corporations all the time when I when I would do wellness protocols is you have to get your people up out of there, see at least two to three times an hour. And the reason I like, let's say the anatomy, we're Sitting bent. Right. And so we're pushing our lungs and our diaphragm up into our lungs. So if you take a deep breath, you can take a really deep breath while you're sitting and you'll feel how much oxygen you can pull in. And then if you stand up and take another deep breath, you'll feel it's almost double the amount of air you can pull in. And just as a natural breath, let alone taking a deep breath. And so if you're not getting up, you're going to get that brain fog that you just mentioned. And you're not going to have the oxygen exchange. And the oxygen exchange is what delivers nutrients to the cells. And so if you're eating food, even healthy food and not breathing, those nutrients are not going to make their ways to the cells they call lungs in Chinese medicine.

Ari [00:53:41] The breath of life because you're breathing. Enjoy your, you know, exuberance, acceleration. You know, it's all these words have to do with breath and lungs. And so learning to breathe properly, which sounds really funny to probably some of the listeners, right? Learning to breathe properly is a new thing for this side of the world. It's not a new thing for that side of it. You know, the Asian cultures. They do a lot of things around breath. The Indian cultures, Native American cultures, as well as India, Indian cultures. Right. But that is it's so important. And I really appreciate you bringing that up. That breath is so important. And, you know, you've heard it. You've heard it. People. You have heard it. Take 10 deep breaths. So when you're really angry, it's, you know, before you before you explode on the person that you're angry with. Right. Get road rage. Take ten deep breaths first and then see how you feel.

Elizabeth [00:54:51] Yes. And I would encourage. Beautifully said. And I would encourage everyone to breathe diagrammatically rather than paradoxically, which is when you inhale, fill the belly and when you exhale, push the arm with your abdominal muscles versus I used to breathe.

Elizabeth [00:55:09] Paradoxically, my abdomen would come in when I breathe and it would go out when I exhale. So, you know, just make sure that your belly is a you're filling your belly and your diaphragm is being filled, your belly is being feel on the inhale and then you use those abdominal muscles to help push that ear out. That's the way you breathe. Take ten of those and see what happens.

Ari [00:55:31] Absolutely. Just help your mental state. That that's going to help your organs, actually, because when you breathe, that's a you're literally squeezing those organs, kind of like giving them a massage, really does them to detoxify and work better as well.

Elizabeth [00:55:49] So. Right. Yeah.

Ari [00:55:51] Talking to you. Thank you. Get more tools.

Elizabeth [00:55:54] Well, I we've just come into movement. Body wants to move. I like any idea, you know, any movements. Good. And walking in nature. So walking. It's important like a lot more than we do. Sitting is not optimal. We're not really animals that are evolutionary. We're not made to sit and hard on. So us.

Elizabeth [00:56:19] So we need to. Which is this muscle that goes from the way up into the spine and in part of the diaphragm down into the leg. And it needs to be stretched.

Elizabeth [00:56:31] Right. So we get hunched over because the sore as this is short and it causes all kinds of health problems. And I know you know about that.

Ari [00:56:37] Oh, yeah.

Elizabeth [00:56:40] So movement. So she gone Taichi. I do yoga. I happen to like you know, I like yoga. And I like could restyle yoga because it's very good for cutting through are bad behaviors are unhealthy, not bad. Unhealthy behaviors is very good. It kind of cutting that program and helping us build new ones. It's very fast. But all the postures of hopping yoga are within kundalini yoga.

Elizabeth [00:57:05] Songhai, do a little bit of Ashtanga yen, you know, kind of a nice tool kit of that yoga is really just all about. For the listeners. There's 80 different isomers postures in yoga. The idea is to find a comfortable seat in one of them. Just one.

Elizabeth [00:57:25] So it's not like we have to do all these flusters, we just want to be able to succeed. We can do one well. It's also very good for clearing trauma. Not good Kundalini. I teach Kundalini. But I teach some other kind of yassa type yoga. It helps it helps the body release. And it's done very carefully so that we're actually working on parts of the body that we know. Hold stuff. And we. We help you. We help you stay there just long enough so that it actually release and you'll feel better. It's pretty cool. And we also work on the vagus nerve. A lot of that that the breathing, the chanting and some of the Pasha's will work on. We'll work on the vagus nerve to Tone, it too, which gets completely dysregulated when it's when it's in chronic pain and in trauma.

Elizabeth [00:58:17] It just. It's just doesn't know what to do.

Ari [00:58:21] And you know that I was talking to to Dr. Joe Esposito on another episode and he started talking about the vagus nerve as relates to the blood brain barrier and the nervous system and how it attaches, you know, gut to brain. There's such a thing in the nervous system that.

Ari [00:58:45] If you are able to calm that system and go from the sympathetic to the parasympathetic and partially the breathing that you were just mentioning helps with that process for the vagus nerve. All of a sudden, your thoughts become more clear, the traumas. Don't become obstacles or they're not paralyzing obstacles. They're just a challenge for you to get around. And it completely can change your perspective on the world. And, you know, we're going to end this call because we we've been talking a long time. And I could talk to you probably for another two or five hours. But I want people to walk away from listening to these conversations that we're having and have actionable things that they can do to shift the perspectives of the world. And right now, the perspectives of the world are really defined in extremes.

Ari [00:59:58] Extreme belief on one side or extreme belief on another side? And when I have found that I'm able to calm my system through breath. Pain goes away, but also my perceived notion of the obstacles tend to go away and the extremes become less extreme. And I'm more balanced in my thinking and I can have nuanced thought. Critical thinking, common sense comes back, right?

Ari [01:00:36] And we have been media and social media and media, Ed, into the state of adrenal fatigue, where we're being traumatized by what we watch and what we listen to every second that we watch that TV or we go on to that Facebook or we listen to the echo chamber we're in.

Ari [01:00:57] And so. Normally, I ask you and I'm going to ask you as well. But what can you do? Actionable steps that you can do to shift and change your personal world. And one of them is get off to social media more often and into the garden, into nature, into a place of peace and calm, where you can allow yourself. The experience of nothingness so that your brain and your adrenal glands can relax and then you can actually start asking yourself questions. That. Are more about the optimization of your life rather than the reaction to the events going on in your life. So that's my. One actionable step that you can take right now. Elizabeth, what kinds of things? I know we've gone over a lot of tools, but if somebody were were to be listening to this and they're to take away. One, two, three things that are actionable steps that they can do immediately that would have the most impact on them. What would those things be?

Elizabeth [01:02:23] Well, I would you know, again, don't judge the moment, which is in these days is kind of tricky. It's a practice. And also the breath cannot be underestimated. You talked about being in extremes, the breath is the bridge. To neutral. So we're in, this bipolar area, and we want a triangle, so we're we have a foundation. We don't have a foundation where we've got this bipolar thing, but when we have a third position, we have stability. The way to get there is to bring in the breath. You just you just talked about how that works. It gets us to neutral. It takes the brake vagus nerve. It takes it out out of the threat system, it helps calm the body. It works mind, body and soul. So profound. And the other thing is. I am very careful about what I bring into myself in terms of stimulation during the day. I'm very careful about social media and and news and stuff like that, conscious. It's a conscious determination on my part and I notice how I feel when I'm when I'm viewing something. And if it's and if it's a. If it's not good for me, I'm not I'm not hiding like I'm not hiding from the truth. It's not about that. It's it's just give me the facts. But don't give me a lot of drama around it. I don't need that. No. So especially nowadays. That's what I would suggest.

Ari [01:04:02] Go back to Dragnet. Just the facts, ma'am.

Elizabeth [01:04:04] That's right. Just the facts. I don't think they do that anymore.

Ari [01:04:10] No, the police does not do it. Don't do that either. The media doesn't do it. As soon as as soon as we allowed the news to become a commercial entity versus a nonprofit entity, we stopped experiencing facts and only opinions. And it's really a shame because I remember some of the great newsmen of my childhood. You know, I miss those guys. And they're impartial and that. And that's the way it was.

Elizabeth [01:04:44] Yeah, that's right. Right.

Ari [01:04:46] So anyway, thank you so much, Elizabeth. How can people get a hold of you if they'd like to, to find out more about how they can experience some of the amazing blessings that you give?

Elizabeth [01:04:58] Thank you. They can find me. www.elizabeth-kipp.com. You have to put the spacer in there or you can e-mail me at. Elizabeth with a Z. Elizabeth at Elizabeth hyphen kept dot com also. So much for inviting me. This is has been a wonderful conversation.

Ari [01:05:17] Now. My pleasure. Where can they get your book.

Elizabeth [01:05:20] Well you can get it at my Web site if you want an autographed copy or you can get it on Amazon.

Ari [01:05:26] I'm just I'm just making sure that they have ways in which to get more of your information. The book is The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power. And this has been another episode of Create a New Tomorrow with Elizabeth Kipp, your host, Ari Gronich. And thank you so much for being here. Have a healthy day. And I look forward to seeing you on the next episode.

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